Why would you Oppose a wall on our Border? Lets find out.

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  1. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    We don't need imported criminals because we breed our own very well,just look at the Vegas shooter,the Sandy Hook shooter,the Orlando shooter,the Parkland shooter etc,etc.All native born Americans and we have hundreds more EVERY YEAR!!
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How quickly the left ignores it's furious defense of Hillary over her fiasco at Benghazi and how you all mocked law enforcement efforts. But you want Trump blamed for the failure to protect our border?

    The man is working hard to protect us. Resistance by the Democrats hopefully shall not work.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fortunately the shooters you bring up were not organized crime. Nor were they members of vicious gangs. Trump is trying to stop those types. He can't stop individuals living here, but he can sure try to block our border to the invasion forces of the cartels.
     
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    Suppose your local bank was constructed to have a legal port of entry, ie. the bank doors, but also the rear wall was not there.

    Would bank robbers use the bank front door?

    Mexicans invading this nation know the best paths to bring in their citizens. And of course we see how Democrats defend those invading this nation. They want to keep the back wall to this place wide open.
     
  5. Condor060

    Condor060 Banned Donor

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    Its more of a common sense issue with detailed intel. Heres what we know.
    We set trail cams on known trafficking lanes of travel. We also find literally thousands of gallons of water in gallon jugs in hundreds of areas used as resting depots. We also monitor radio communications.They have spotters posted up and down the border with telescopes looking for border agents and designating safe crossing areas.

    Coupled with the few border agents covering hundreds of miles of border they do make arrest but most of those are just illegal immigrants crossing with little or no intel to support them.

    We have hundreds of videos of mules crossing the border every month but its more like herding cats. You can't be everywhere at once and these drug runners know just about every move being made to intercept them.

    The only way to get the statistical information is to catch more drug runners but that isn't going to happen until we secure the border. Think about it just for a second. Where would you try and cross with drugs into the US? In an area that has surveillance verifying no law enforcement exist or at a port of entry?

    We can fly over and see the spotters but we can't do anything about it. We can see hundreds of people walking with backpacks and we know what they are doing but once they are located they just walk away and don't cross.

    I certainly don't have all the answers but I do know the game being played and without a secure border its nothing more than a cat herding game. You would need 10 thousand more border agents to make a dent.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An article you say? From the MSM? Good god, trust me with the 24 page report. i am able to understand actual reports. As to getting off my ass, why did you bother with an article that you did not intend to back up with the actual report? Why do you display such an ill temper? If you despise questions, simply create accurate posts including links to reports you mention. Articles of course never are biased, huh?
     
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    but without data to support that claim, it's anecdotal. The DEA specifically says, and the report has been cited, that your claim is false.
     
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    I like the analogy of the bank. It has what, a pair of doors as an entry or perhaps two sets of doors? Why are the banks not overloaded by bank robbers? What if the banks had the rear of the bank with no walls?

    Think of our borders like you truly wanted them protected. Think of why does Nancy and Chuck not support walls that they have supported in the past?

    The change from when they wanted the border secured to now is only due to Trump. Trump simply wants to finish what Obama began in earnest. Bush tried hard to get border security and for a time democrats also wanted it.

    Chuck and Nancy do not present any concrete plan. I can't describe their plans at all. Prior to Trump it was the wall.
     
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    The difference is I have worked helping provide border security. Have you? I know whats going on down there. You don't. You just repeat talking points as Liberals always do. You actually have no clue as to what the problem is, all you know is your against it because Trump is for it.

    If you think a DEA arrest report proves where most of the drugs are coming in then you are a drug runners dream. You think these drug runners are so stupid to only use ports of entry and only you could know what a DEA report says then you are one of the illiterate few who are the major cause of the problem.

    Use some common sense instead of repeating Liberal talking points. If what you are stating is accurate and ports of entry are 90% of the drugs coming into this country then our Border Patrol agents are incompetent as they are only getting about 5% of the drugs entering through a port of entry.
     
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    You are joking. Want to see current actual video taken from helicopters?

     
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    Their plans are: unlimited immigration. That should be obvious...
     
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    Sure
     
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    You are trying to connect arrest data as a trafficking meter. It doesn't work like that. The DEA states most arrest are made at ports of entry hence most drug trafficking comes through ports of entry.

    Since the DEA doesn't work Border Security and only uses arrest data to compile that report, you should be able to figure out it is not a determination of trafficking numbers that are exclusive to ports of entry.
     
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    not relevant
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    Based on what? Feelings?
    No cbp patrols outside of ports of entry huh? Why bother smuggling them through them then?
    Probably almost none
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    Gosh, one might think when Obama was building his wall, this would have also been one of his priorities. Like it is for Trump.
    Heading says Obama mimics GW Bush

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    what you seem to not understand, is you are hand waving away the data that has been presented, and presenting anecdotes and baseless claims as a rebuttal. Doesn't work like that. You need to refute the DEA numbers in their report, with data/numbers showing they are wrong.
     
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    You would have thought then that Obama would not have built his wall. Want to see it being built under Obama?


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    That is not factual at all about what his efforts amount to.

    We do not see DEA numbers We see articles alleging they are accurate.
     
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    What made Obama build his wall? And why were Democrats enthusiastic supporters of his walls?

    Obama building steel wall.

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    it is quite demonstrably factual about what he is doing.

    no you don't. It's been cited several times by 2 or 3 different posters. You guys saying "nuh uh" isn't an argument.
     
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    What you mean is that Obama's wall is silly. But when he was president, why didn't you say that?

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    This is part of the Obama wall. Why didn't Schumer and Nancy resist his wall?

    Why did Obama build it, if it is useless and why didn't he protect ports of entry?



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    Obama signed nothing into law to build any border walls.
     
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    Trump said that the border is now secure.
     
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    because there are many articles and reports stating that most drugs from mexico come through trucks that cross the border crossings.

    if only 80% get through, that's a massive profit.
     

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