Why you can't have an honest or civil conversation with most racists

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How many white nationalists/neo-nazis were wigger hats like that?

 

Oh Lord here we go with your double standard of evidence again. At bare minimum what you do is cry racism, which you are justifying in this post. It's a personal attack based on the person's ideological non-conformity with your views.

You went over to VNN spamming weird crap about me because over here I held your feet to the fire about your poor sources. I guess my holding your feet to the fire was "uncivil" and thus the VNN spam/personal attack was therefore called for? LMAO...

Here you are calling Rita Marley a "liar" about being black and then calling her "Uncle Ruckus" and "self-hating" and "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)" that needed to shut her "whore mouth" due to her ideological nonconformity with your expectations of one of racial background. She did nothing to deserve such slurs.

And after gnawing into Rita for several pages, you turned your rage against me. After I said you were "whining," your language became increasingly ferocious: "Racist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)," "I can't wait until I can kill racists... That's when the fun begins," "shut your whore mouth," "psychotic," "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) mode," etc.

Speaking of "proving it," are you still working on defending Nisbett or are you set on avoiding it while continuing to use him as a source?


And it's funny how you on the one hand claim that race doesn't exist while pointing at ancient Egyptian cranial morphology to prove Egyptians were black.

Because you equally trash Africans for not wanting foreigners to flow in en masse for personal profits.

"Offensive" isn't what racist is. Do you care for another swing at the plate?

If you think people can go where they want, then why do you whine about European colonialism?

 

What's wrong with banging hot Asian women? When I lived in Asia I was drowning in beautiful women--an experience I aim to repeat, again and again.

There is a massive difference between people of a race choosing to go breed with other women and having their demography forcibly changed through immigration--they are totally different issues. Personally, I will most likely marry a Chinese woman because I like their culture and I like the way Asian women look. I see no contradictions.

Don't see any problems. By the way, many white nationalists like Asians and are quite fond of them.

Who cares? I'm not a white nationalist or neo-nazi. I simply acknowledge racial differences, note that groups look out for one another, and believe homogeneous societies are generally better and should be encouraged.
That guy, by the way, has a better life than 98% of men in the states could ever hope to have. My time in Asia was the best ever, and America, by comparison, is a (*)(*)(*)(*)hole. I have never been more determined to take my Chinese to the next level.

 

Ownage.

 

You are clearly a pervert and sex maniac like Mikemikev lusting after Asian woman. In your other posts like Mike you criticize black and white interracial relationships or populations mixing, but you approve of white and east Asian (so no consistency whatsoever)? Do you just arbitrarily decide what populations you support mixing, and others you don't?

Why are you concerned with the impact of immigration - if you're marrying into a different race/ethnic-group/culture? If you cared about your people you wouldn't be a sex tourist in east asia.

Yes, because most white nationalists are creeps and pervs.

You believe in homogenous societies but will marry a foreign woman? How does that make sense?

 

I am a sex maniac and love Asian women in particular. What is wrong with that? I think you are jealous you aren't sleeping with attractive women. I never even made a comment about black/white mixing--miscegenation isn't a big deal in small amounts. By the way, I am not a white nationalist. Also, I would point out that your confusion is due to assuming races are interchangeable (they're not). Human populations are not fungible units, like the left seems to believe.

America is already finished. Our women more closely resemble whales, our culture has been destroyed by the left, and there is simply too much diversity to accommodate over the long run. The immigration argument in America is largely an economic one, though there's a good argument for not continuing to stir the pot. Again, immigration is largely unrelated. Men going to Asia, which is a very small number of people, wouldn't be a big deal at all if leftists weren't trying to import hordes of people by the millions. Me going to Asia has nothing to do with leftists trying to forcibly change the demography to destroy whites.

No, because Asians are competent and capable of governing themselves. Blacks, on the other hand, are not.

You guys already screwed that up.

 

You just said the same thing again.

How/why is it evil/wrong to exclude blacks from entering a country?

 

It is a fact that you were racist to me before I ever said anything disrespectful to you.

What weird crap? I told them what you did on Stumbleinn as part of my thread on how to intimidate racists.

There is nothing untruthful about what I said.

Oh yes, she did. She repeatedly insulted me with racist insults before I retaliated against her. First I asked her for proof she was Black. When she did I accepted it. Later she started insulting me and that is when the retaliation began.

Her racist comments:

http://www.stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=427182&postcount=218

http://www.stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=427184&postcount=220

http://www.stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=427189&postcount=224

http://www.stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=427191&postcount=226

http://www.stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=427197&postcount=232

http://www.stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=427205&postcount=240

http://www.stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=427237&postcount=267

I freely admit to retaliating against this Aunt Jemima whore and putting her in her place. But I didn't start the personal attacks.

Actually I called you a racist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) after you accused me of "thugging it up" for beating up a White Supremacist who threatened to shoot up my high school and came to my table and threatened my friends after we reported him.

Remember this?

http://www.stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=427267&postcount=289

You started the flame war between us and you eventually lost your mind over my interracial porn photos which you responded to with images of Black people being murdered before banning me, posting my email address and IP address. I will retaliate against racists when they are uncivil with me. But you? Well you just fight dirty and have no integrity.

I'll tell you what I am going to do. I am going to continue citing Nisbett as a source. In the meantime I am going to read his book then make a thread about his critics where I will review both Lee and Rushton's anti-Nisbett article. Then we can have a debate over his credibility as a source. In fact I just emailed Nisbett while I was writing this post. I invited him to come to the thread and join the debate when I am finished writing it. What do you think of that?

By the way when do you plan on responding to this post?

You didn't reply to me on Youtube when I originally wrote it and you're not replying now. Why not?

If you paid any attention to my arguments I have said that the ancient Egyptians had closest biological affinities with their more southerly African neighbors and were a dark-skinned African population. They would be regarded as Black by modern social standards. I don't however believe that race is a biologically meaningful concept. There is human biological variation but it is not structured in to races. If you understood anthropology and genetics research you would be able to grasp my arguments.

You're comparing colonialism to immigration. The two are not comparable. Legal immigration is not the same as colonizing a region setting up a country and bullying the neighbors like the did in South Africa and Rhodesia.

Racism is offensive.

It all depends on how you treat people. If you go to another continent, trade with the natives and ask to live among them peacefully that is fine. Did Europeans do that? No. They invaded other regions, forced people off their land, committed genocide against them, set up colonies to control the wealth from the natural resources of these territories and enslaved people. Then they made arguments that they inequality they created in the world was the result of biological inequality between "races." You're comparing all of that to peaceful, legal immigration. I don't support the illegals or the criminals who come to Western countries. But racists like you want to claim all of Europe for yourself and create White ethno-states out of places like America. I don't agree with that. That is wrong. If White people want to immigrate to Africa and set up businesses and live peacefully among the natives that is fine. That's not what European colonists did.

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Why is it wrong to rape and kill people? Why is it wrong to steal?

What is the point of your question? Do you have any sense of morality? It is unfair to Blacks to exclude them from entering a country. That is why it is wrong. I am pro-equality. I oppose discrimination.

 

Because it makes society unpleasant for everybody.

See above.

 

As a seemingly intelligent black guy who came from a good background, I can understand your passion for this subject and, believe it or not, empathize with you; however, at some point you are going to have to face truth of the matter and acknowledge that there are mental differences between the races. The amount of data, globally, in so many different areas, suggests that blacks simply aren't, on average, as intelligent as other races. The amount of back flipping you are having to do to explain something like this is dumbfounding, and you should realize that. I understand how invested your ego is, and you may never change, but you are very, very wrong. I'm sure you are of above average intelligence, but many of your race simply aren't. People of African descent have been behind in every major intellectual category at virtually every period of human history.

You need to accept this and move on with your life. The races are different, physically and mentally, and this is okay. You've been horribly brainwashed by the left and you need to escape that vortex of irrationality and vaginalism.

 

If you want to debate this subject you should make a new thread and present your arguments. I don't expect to convince you of anything but the facts are simply not on your side. There are a lot of good books you can read on this subject that show you are wrong. Your arguments are also not accepted by academia. Why do you think this is? Is it a liberal conspiracy to suppress the truth? Do you know how paranoid and unrealistic that sounds to rational people? Again if you want to debate simply make a new thread about it and we'll see who can present the most established scientific facts.

 

A Jewish conspiracy. Despite this many or most academics support hereditarian theories.

 

This is nothing but far-right, racist lunacy.

Where is your evidence? Why aren't they teaching it in schools?

 

You have been inundated with data and explained it away. Off the top of my head, what is your excuse for blacks with household incomes of over 100k having SAT scores lower than impoverished whites with incomes below 10k? Why are low black IQ scores a global phenomenon, and why doesn't income seem to change it? What is the common denominator? You have asked us to prove everything, and you've put no theories in place as alternatives. By the way, I did write a lengthy response at the beginning of this thread, and you never responded to it.

 

So they don't hurt the feelings of the poor brown children.

 

When?

Black and White families with the same income level have differences in educational, social and cultural backgrounds (Orr, 2003). Whites from higher income level families have much more wealth than Blacks from families with the same income level. The reason that Whites from lower income families score higher than Blacks from higher income families is that they go to better schools that prepare them for the SAT test. There's also the issue of stereotype threat. Studies show that Black test takers are psychologically affected by the stereotype that they will perform poorly on tests (Steele and Aronson, 1995).

Also over 100k (Blacks) vs. under 10k (Whites) is an exaggeration. Blacks from families with income levels over 200k score higher on SAT tests than Whites with income levels under 20k.

Actually income level does change the score. As Blacks have become wealthier test scores have risen. Between 1972 and 2002 the Black American IQ average was estimated to have risen by 4-7 IQ points, significantly reducing the Black-White IQ gap (Dickens and Flynn, 2006). Also controlling for environmental variables can eliminate the gap (Brooks-Gunn et al. 1996).

Actually I have. Cultural and environmental factors explain the difference in test score. Several types of evidence have established this including Black IQ converging on White IQ, racial admixture studies showing low to no correlation between White ancestry and high Black IQ, intervention programs showing Black IQ can be boosted and adoption studies showing that Black IQ can equal White IQ when environment is similar (Nisbett, 2005). Differences in IQ between Blacks and Whites are not caused by genetic differences and recent research shows that there are almost no genetic polymorphisms that have been discovered which are consistently associated with variation in IQ in the normal range (Nisbett, 2012). I have also shown that the evolutionary arguments of racists are invalid (Graves, 2002).

I did respond to you in post #23.

 

"You honestly believe the ancient Egyptians knew how to fly and move pyramid blocks with their minds?" asked the interviewer. "And you want to teach African-American schoolchildren this?"

The speaker paused, then said: "Well, no, I don't really believe they knew how to fly, and I don't believe they had any special powers. But we've got to give these kids something good to believe in, don't we?"

 

After reviewing the thread I see that you are probably talking about post #26. This was indeed a lengthy response that posed a lot of questions. At the time I meant to reply but didn't get around to it. If you like I can give it a crack here or you could start a thread and compile some arguments with evidence and I'll respond to that.

Is this even a real quote? Who said this? Even if it were true it obviously represents a fringe view not mainstream academia. Your contention that there is a Jewish Conspiracy to avoid teaching race-realism has about as much credibility as a Creationist claiming a Satanist conspiracy to keep Intelligent Design from being taught in schools.

 

Blacks are not having their rights deprived if a country excludes them from entering.

A country's immigration policy does not have to be based on 'fairness'.

I don't see what is wrong with a country deciding whom it wants to enter, and I don't see what is evil in this policy.

 

I shouldn't have to explain this to you. You think this way because you have a racist mentality. This sort of attitude is what led to racist policies in America such as the Chinese Exclusion Act and segregation which got so ridiculous that Blacks were not allowed to got to the same restaurants, use the same bathrooms, drink at the same fountains and had to sit at the back of the bus. Discriminating against people by deciding who is allowed to enter your country is depriving them of equal opportunity which is morally repugnant. In an Egalitarian society anyone who can immigrate legally should be able to enter. You either do it fairly or you don't allow immigration at all. There's no justification for immigration bias.

 

Egalitarianjay02

here are the facts

Too many blacks are violent and stupid and unable to function as responsible members of society. Sure every society has these people but in black society they seem to be mostly these people. they have little entrepreneurial spirit and little aptitude for hard work and delayed gratification.

So called Middle class blacks are dependent on affirmative action hiring and public sector work where they are incompetent and rude. Black people show an amazing attitude to produce famillies that they cannot care for.

The levels of Violence are at third world levels. In white areas the USA has European levels of murder. In black areas its 3rd world. They cannot and will not behave themselves.

they demand something for nothing and when given any power always abuse it. We have had half a century of reform and subsidy and nothing has changed other than black people being given more and more and doing less and less.

I am just fed up of the screaming of radicals and the violence of blacks.

yes they can sing and dance and therfe is the odd 'good one'but mostly they are (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s.

(*)(*)(*)(*) em I prefer Hispanics, they work, have stable famillies and their women are pretty.

 

A country doesn't care about the equal opportunity of foreigners, nor is it evil to not care.

It also not infringing on Black's rights to not be able to enter a country.

 

Ironically, with everything you said, the worse violent rates in this world are from Hispanic countries. Those Hispanics being European mixed too. Further, Europeans adopt a NIMBY when they make victims of others anymore. So, it appears others are violent when these people are making extinct every race they come in contact with including other ethnic Europeans.

In other words, everything in your post is full-on rubbish.

Just interjecting, carry on with the bullcrap.

 

These statements of yours are based on racist stereotypes. The average Black person is not violent or stupid. Most Black people in America are law-abiding citizens of average intelligence. The criminal element within the Black American population are the minority and they are disproportionately criminal because of poverty which causes poor environmental conditions that can influence a person towards a life of crime. As an African-American I take offense to the idea that those of us who are Middle Class got to our positions through Affirmative Action. That is just a lie. I earned my college degree without being involved in any Affirmative Action program and I am fully qualified to do my job. So are my parents who provided me with a good upbringing after graduating from college, earning their own degrees and getting high paying jobs. They were raised poor because institutionalized racist discrimination ensured that many Blacks were poor back then. You are wrong about nothing changing after the Civil Rights movement. The average Black income improved as did Black academic performance. Black crime rates have also declined.

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Of course technically you are not infringing on someone's civil rights by excluding them from your country as they are not a citizen. However it is discrimination to exclude someone based on their race/ethnicity/religion etc. I would judge that as morally reprehensible (e.g. evil). You would not. We have a fundamental difference in political ideology so we are going to differ in our perception of the morality of this topic. People have strong opinions on this subject. For example look at this poll of opinions on Trump's statements about excluding Muslims from immigrating to the United States.



Look at the difference between Democrats and Republicans. Most Democrats would agree with me that it is morally wrong to have discriminatory immigration policies. Most Republicans seem like they would agree with you. Who is right? That is a matter of opinion. What is clear is that your views on immigrant policy are racist. You believe racism is justifiable. I do not. So we're not going to agree. The fact is that we've already had debates in the United States about the morality of discriminating against immigrants. Other countries have as well. The Chinese were discriminated against because of this. So were Jews. Now people are worried about Muslims. Thankfully America is moving to the left politically and views such as yours are becoming more fringe.

 

No, experience

No. they have below average intelligence. ten to 15 points lower

Petty theft maybe but poverty is no excuse for rape. Thats just an excuse,

No it isn;t

You were accepted with lower grades than a white and certainly than an asian kid was. Basically the left/liberals know that African americans just can;t make it without having grades lowered for them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_v._DeStefano

Is teh case that shows up best how things work for Black people. They constantly demand promotions with lower grades. Read this case and then tell me why the black officers had a case.