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    "The Constitution is not a suicide pact" is a phrase in American political and legal discourse. The phrase expresses the belief that constitutional restrictions on governmental power must be balanced against the need for survival of the state and its people."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact
     
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    My father was a physician, and I was raised in a drug store for 15 years, so no, I don't hate the medical establishment, but the behavior of the medical establishment (which is now owned by a medical industrial complex) during these last 2 years is a cruel and sad embarrassment. The medical profession has utterly abandoned the letter and spirit of the Hippocratic Oath. "First, do no harm"

    If you took the time to read RFK Jr's book The Real Anthony Fauci, you would understand why.

    Your relative ignorance of pharmaceutical details leads you to think that humans are not treated with rat poison when in fact they are and have been for decades. Warfarin products like Coumadin have been used for generations to treat humans to thin their blood. Your relative ignorance of pharmaceutical details (and 24/7 disinformation by pharma and the government and media) lead you to think that the clot shots do more good than harm when in fact the opposite is true. All risk-benefit analyses done in that regard show the shots do more harm than good. When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.
     
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    then there is this:
    Acetaminophen Toxicity - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › books › NBK441917


    by S Agrawal · 2021 · Cited by 31 — Acetaminophen toxicity is the second most common cause of liver transplantation worldwide and the most common cause of liver transplantation in the US. It is ...
    Continuing Education Activity · ‎Toxicokinetics · ‎History and Physical · ‎Evaluation
     
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    your conclusion is not the relationship they are describing

    Goldberg's Kennedy formulation
    Justice Arthur Goldberg wrote the court's opinion in the 1963 U.S. Supreme Court case Kennedy v. Mendoza-Martinez. While the court ultimately determined that laws permitting stripping draft evaders of their citizenship on the basis of a perceived existential threat to the nation were unconstitutional, Goldberg acknowledged the "not a suicide pact" argument, writing: "The powers of Congress to require military service for the common defense are broad and far-reaching, for while the Constitution protects against invasions of individual rights, it is not a suicide pact."[3]

    someones overdose hardly threatens the state in any way fashion or manner outside of money, one less tax payer
     
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    things always get a lot better as people develop natural immunity to anything, thats the farce about most vaccines in the first place, its a well known fact. Simply claiming the vaccine did it is pure BS, the bulk of us thought it was a flu and had it long before the vaccine came out, that is 'always' the case of a new virus or flu bug.
     
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    My father was a physician as well. I take 2mg of warfarin (the generic name for coumadin) every day to prevent strokes. The numbers are not on your side when it comes to the relative benefit and harm of covid vaccines. The problem has always been government management of the vaccines and the disease they were designed to combat.

    The vaccines became progressively obsolete with the evolution of the virus. Yet government continued forcing people to take them long after they were effective. That was a travesty. I saw a government commercial on TV pushing vaccination as recently as yesterday so government continues the effort. But the vaccines did work with the original virus. They also had some therapeutic benefit during the delta strain by reducing hospitalization rates. After that they should have been replaced or abandoned. I, for one, took the initial vaccine with only minor, temporary side effects. But I knew not to take the boosters. It would have been great if government had followed the science and provided proper advice to the public but it did not.

    The fact that Fauci is an MD is immaterial. He is primarily a government administrator. His job is to fund private sector medical research, not to practice medicine as our fathers did. It is distressing that a doctor puts personal and government interest above the interest of health care but the man hasn't seen a patient in nearly a half century. His political power was misplaced. He fed the public what the political machinery wanted fed. One should expect this from any bureaucrat.

    Finally, humans are not treated with rat poison. Possibly some of the ingredients in rat poison are used effectively in some therapeutics but I have no information to share about that. I will share a recent experience. I recently underwent a colonoscopy. In preparation for the procedure I had to stop eating and take a gallon sized dose of chemicals to clear the GI tract. The label on the gallon jug said the ingredients were sodium chloride, potassium chloride and ethylene glycol. In other words it was a concoction of salt water and anti-freeze. We view anti-freeze as poisonous but it is also useful in preparing the GI tract for a medical procedure in the proper dosage.

    I will end it here before I fall prey to writing a book.
     
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    That you have fantasies is a well known fact.

    That you have, shall we call them flaws, in your thinking, is well known.

    That you're a bit obsessive, also well known...
     
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    Why do you so often descend into absurdity.

    Please note the lack of a question mark, it's purely rhetorical..
     
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    In 2019 There were over 12000 liver transplants world wide among a population of 8 billion people. There were about 9200 performed in the U.S. during 2021 among a population of 350 million. Liver transplants are rare. Those caused by the second largest cause of the liver disease are even rarer.

    It is very common for people to use statistics to push an agenda. I remember once seeing a statistic that most auto accidents occur within 25 miles of home. Of course most driving occurs within 25 miles of home. I don't remember the agenda the author was trying to make but it failed. When we are attacking a pain remedy that causes serious problems in thousandths of a percent of those using it, it simply isn't a big problem. Aspirin can be dangerous for people with an allergy to it.

    Life is full of risks. Taking Acetaminophen for a headache is not a major one. Much ado about nothing.
     
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    I've been wanting to start a thread about the hallucinogenic character of so many of the posts here.

    Not sure what to say, or even where to put it.

    The combination of ignorance, gullibility and the lust for power boggles the mind. It's what you'd expect in a lunatic asylum, or the back of a dive bar among those that will shortly have trouble standing up.

    I used to hate J Edgar Hoover. Now I know what he was up against, and it's corrosive to the notions of democracy, freedom, and representative government.

    The law is all about finding a balance between competing rights and interests. But how does one balance the unbalanced? I'd like to avoid the brutal repression J Edgar used, but the doubt we can lingers..
     
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    yes thats the 'accusation' from the people who run out of butthurt ointment. :roflol:
    Never as in not once proven.
    try comedy
    Yes, the vax believers top the charts!
    and therein lies the problem
    He was up against "rights" da guv at large is up against rights.
    No its not.
    At least that is not the way it was designed.
    That is the way it degenerated to the corruption we have today.
    It was designed to protect our rights, not 'THEIR' interests which is everything! Especially everything that can be considered 'their' revenue/power.
    Keep your nose out of peoples rights.
    Poison Control Centers Are Fielding A Surge Of Ivermectin Overdose Calls

    Poison control centers are seeing a dramatic surge in calls from people who are self-medicating with ivermectin
    there was a 245% jump in reported exposure cases from July to August — from 133 to 459


    Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective

    Ivermectin has continually proved to be astonishingly safe for human use. Indeed, it is such a safe drug, with minimal side effects,
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

    Is Ivermectin Safe? Uses, Dosage, and Side Effects Information
    https://www.goodrx.com › ... › Drugs › Ivermectin

    Oct 5, 2021 — Ivermectin is considered safe for use in humans when used in normal doses. But it's still possible to experience side effects while taking ...


    How did it get from astonishingly safe to extremely dangerous, to the point even doctors are banned from using it in a country overflowing with freedom to the point we have a military that installs it in other countries too?
     
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    "As explained in the Introduction to this book, the idea of balancing goes back to the old times where Justice was depicted as holding a set of scales in her hands. Balancing is considered in this work as the method by which courts ‘weigh’ conflicting interests and rights in order to find a stable solution; a solution that requires judges to tell which of the rights is the heaviest.

    Balancing is central not only to law, but also to life in general. It mirrors what happens in – particularly democratic – societies.2 Balancing has been studied in detail by numerous legal scholars from different perspectives, such as philosophy and constitutional law, mainly with regard to Constitutional Courts.3 More precisely, scholars have consistently focused on how constitutional courts weigh conflicting rights when they need to decide on the legitimacy of a norm the constitutionality of which has been questioned."
    https://www.elgaronline.com/view/9781785369353/08_chapter1.xhtml
     
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    ~ As usual I have picked certain segments of the book to read — perhaps 1/3 of the entire text. I can say if only 25% of it is factual we have been mislead and neglected by Fauci for a long time .

    ~ As more evidence mounts it appears that this "vaccine " experiment with repeated booster doses prevents natural immunity .

    ~ Unfortunately we do not have all the numbers . There is not enough accurate record keeping/ information to make any conclusions. As more of the Pfizer documents are released for review we will learn.
     
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    Rights and Interests
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    Scanlon, Thomas. 2009. Rights and interests. In Arguments for a better world: Essays in honor of Amartya Sen. Vol. 1, Ethics, welfare, and measurement, ed. Kaushik Basu and Ravi Kanbur, 68-79. Oxford: Oxford University Press.
    Abstract
    Rights are defined by certain specific duties, and they are justified on the ground that they are necessary to protect important individual interests. The paper examines the relation between a right and the duties that define it, and the relation between a right and the interests that justify it.

    The latter form of justification is not "instrumental," in a way that contrasts with the justification of other moral claims. The idea that rights conflict and must be “balanced” against each other is a mistake. Interests can conflict and must be balanced; rights must be defined so that they do not conflict.

    https://dash.harvard.edu/handle/1/3351713


    The state has no 'rights', only authority (allegedly) granted by the governed, (or course we know that was/is not never has been and never will be true in practice because they OWN you! In ways you never imagined!

    Want to learn top shelf deceit? Study law, especially UK/US law.
     
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    That essay appears to be looking at rights as "side-constraints". It sounds like it's more philosophy than legal theory. It also sounds like a 'claim right', instead of a 'liberty right'.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights
    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rights/

    The philosophy side of this adds a layer of complication.

    You are taking the conservative side here. The liberal side has worked better for the last century. I haven't studied this enough to be sure, but I suspect if you scratch the surface of the conservative arguments you'd find old school legal formalism.

    Under it all, I think the failure of the SC to address, in depth, the issue of competing rights, is a way to preserve status quo ante. Like when they struck down the pre-clearance in the VRA, knowing full well their arguments that it was not needed were incorrect.

    Anyway, that would be a challenging argument to have, if you were capable of handling it. Which you are not.

    It would take me quite a bit of work to get up to speed, and I am not sure I could do that in a reasonable amount of time.

    It's complicated.
     
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    Thanks for the bit on warfarin. Saved me the trouble… :)
     
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    Warfarin was commonly used as rat poison back in the 50s and 60s. Not sure about if that's still the case today.

    Fauci is a criminal, but many Americans are too deeply in denial to be able to perceive that fact. Read "The Real Anthony Fauci" with its vast numbers of citations. Inform yourself. :peace:
     
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    What if ALL of what Kennedy has written in the book is factual?
     
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    It is true that rat poison and coumadin both include anti-coagulants. The anti-coagulant in rat poison is bromadiolone, a synthetic chemical. The anti-coagulant in coumadin is dicoumerol taken from a natural compound found in sweet clover. It is true that coumadin was used as a rodenticide many decades ago but has since been replaced by bromadiolone since rats developed a resistance to coumadin. What provides a little blood thinning in a human is a dose that causes internal bleeding in a rat. That is why coumadin (warfarin) is prescribed to produce a blood INR of 2 to 3, not enough to trigger internal bleeding.

    Many things are poisonous in large doses and useful in small doses. The most common remedy for diarrhea back in the mid 20th century, for instance, was a 10% tincture of opium and belladonna. opium, as you know, is the source of all non synthetic opioids and belladonna is considered a poison. They don't prescribe that any longer but nothing works better. A single drop of the tincture in a glass of water clears diarrhea overnight every time. Obviously it is dangerous if used improperly.
     
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    Yes, semantics again. Here you coin another phrase, 'non synthetic opioids'.

    Opiates like morphine and heroin are natural drugs.

    Opioids are synthetic drugs, like oxy-contin and fentanyl. They were brought and promoted under fraud. The Sackler family has blood on its hands.

    Opiates have been used and abused by humans for centuries. Opioids only for the last 20 years or so. They have caused much more harm than good, and were unnecessary to synthesize, but that's what mad and corrupt scientists do, just like Fauci & Pharma.
     
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    Nothing like a good semantics argument huh?
     
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    It's not a semantic argument, just a point. The point being that opiates are relatively natural. Opioids are synthetic, brought under fraud, and far more harmful to society than opiates.

    Rational public dialogue is impossible without fine points and definitions.

    While many humans have abused opiates over centuries, many more have died from the opioids in a very short time. In the last 20 years or so I've been to way too many funerals for the daughters and sons of friends of mine, youngsters who died at the hands of Purdue and other pharmaceutical outfits.
     
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    Much ado about nothing. Whether natural or synthetic, they stone people and become very addictive. Opium as you know meets these criteria despite being natural.
     
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    Yes, it's much better to avoid definitions and technical differences and just buy into the psychobabble offered by MSM and pharma. Best to delude oneself into ignoring Pfizer, Purdue and other pharma criminal pleas and activity. They would not mislead you, and public health is their primary concern. :lol:
     
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    Why won't doctors prescribe Intervectin, because Big Pharma isn't making money off it. It truly is that simple.
     
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