Will you accept Trump's impeachment/removal?

The incumbents have too many advantages to lose, which is why we lose more incumbents to retirement than to election. We hate Congress, but most of us like our Congressman.

 

The Senate isn't involved in the impeachment process. The Senate tries one who has already been impeached by the House.

Remember back when America was great and they taught the intent of the Constitution and how it works ? Those were great days. Now our schools indoctrinate our children and snowflakes in political correctness and revisionism.

 

That is time tested political wisdom. The same political wisdom that still cannot comprehend how Trump could defeat both parties to win the nomination and the presidency. IMO, every incumbent will be very vulnerable to any serious populist challenger who stands for meaningful reform.

 

There are, thankfully, some important exceptions. The University of Chicago and the University of Kansas have explicitly told their students that there are and will be no safe spaces on campus from speech that makes you uncomfortable, and zero tolerance for hounding invited speakers off of a stage.

I will also note that my children, both grads of Ivy League schools and successful professionals now, told me that they never heard any attack, oblique or otherwise, on western civ when they were in high school. The school is in West Plano, Texas, and it sends many grad to the Ivy League every year.

 

Texas is Americana, one of the few states where you still have personal freedoms and compare a Texas textbook to a California PC revisionist textbook.

 

Back to the poll, I'll "accept" it in that I don't want to nurse a grudge for the rest of my life.

But here, according to a contributor for the Huffington Post, of all places, is why we shouldn't get too worked about impeachment talk at present:

Special counsel Robert Mueller is looking hard at documents on Trump’s firing of former FBI Director James Comey. This touched off endless chatter that Mueller is zeroing in on trying to make a case against Trump for obstruction of justice. That’s a potentially impeachable offense. But it’s a tough sell. The federal statute that governs what is and isn’t an obstruction of justice offense is straightforward. It ticks off the actions required, “threats,” “corrupts,” “impedes,” or “influences,” any action that comes under the explicit proper purview of a government department or Congress. There’s more. It would have to be shown that the person made a false statement, withheld, concealed, altered, or destroyed a document that obstructed the investigation.

The letter Trump sent to Mueller is little more than a rehash of the reasons Trump previously and publicly stated were the reasons that he fired Comey. They boil down to his alleged dissatisfaction with his handling of the Clinton email investigation and the supposed investigation into the alleged Russia presidential election meddling. There is no evidence of any existence, let alone concealment, destruction or tampering, of a document that would show that Trump ordered or demanded that Comey stand down from investigating him. In fact, Trump has waved around the quip he made to Comey about being pleased that he found supposedly nothing to implicate him in any wrongdoing.

The bigger problem with trying to make an obstruction of justice charge stick is the always thorny matter of trying to prove intent. So, even if Trump desperately wanted Comey to back off from any potential investigation of his Russia tie and did try to undermine such an investigation, a prosecutor would still have to prove that he deliberately and willfully used illegal means to stop Comey from an investigation.

Trump’s team is well-versed on the rules about what public officials can do when it comes to business and government here. They know that eyes are carefully watching him to catch him in any dirty dealing. So, him doing something that crudely illegal is almost unimaginable.

Another possible charge bandied about is whether his entangled business dealings with the Russians rises to the level of blatant favoritism. Something, of course, could turn up in a deep probe congressional investigation of his supposed tie with the Russians.

The two problems with this is that the likelihood of a GOP congressional committee taking on such a probe is slim to none. The election tampering angle is near impossible to prove. It would take smoking gun proof that Trump directed Putin and his cronies to cook the election books for him.

So, for now we’re back to square one. Lots of talk, speculation and hope that Trump can be tripped up enough to bring a strong case for his removal. But to make that case it’s going to take solid evidence of wrongdoing that meets the high Constitutional bar to oust a president.


[LOL by Le Chef at "lots of talk." He must be reading some of the threads here.]

 

Come on over, man. We'd be honored to have you!

 

Home school if you want true freedom.

My neighbors home school their 7 year old, she was to start 1st grade this month. To baseline her grade level, they had her take the public school performance test with all the other kids - she scored at 3rd to 5th grade depending upon the subject.

Just out of curiosity, they asked if the public school would put in her in a higher grade level - they would not because "the social aspect of education is just as important as the academic and she needs to stay with her peer age group".

So the public school would take a person at the 3-5 grade level and put them in 1st grade. Great way to dumb down children.

 

How about a parallel poll:

"Will you accept a finding by Mueller that Trump committed no crime?"

[ ] Yes

[ ] No.

 

Will you accept Trump's impeachment/removal?

I support it. Trump has demonstrated a historic ineptness as President, and for the safety and security of the nation, MUST be removed from office ASAP.

 

"Must" in all caps? He's going to finish his term. No impeachment. He may decide not to seek reelection.

 

You can protest even if you respect the findings.

Impeachment can be for anything that the House says is impeachable.

 

I all hinges on the reason and proof.

 

You believe Trump is inept because he is trying to take the country in a direction you don't think we should go. Guess what many of us felt the same way when Obama was taking the country in a direction we thought we shouldn't go.