Without God...

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  1. GrayMan

    GrayMan Well-Known Member

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    That's just the newer western split off of the original version. I did research. Do your history.
     
  2. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I assume you're using these terms (highlighted in bold) interchangeably, right? If so creation typically is defined as bringing into existence that which never existed before in any form. The more proper term would be "reformed". Taking an existing substance and molding it into something else of different form. How do you define the terms?
     
  3. WillReadmore

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    I agree.

    I know of no evidence that any of this came from nothing.
     
  4. Pixie

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    Neither you nor I know what existed before the Big Bang.
    For all we know it was another universe .
     
  5. Pixie

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    Not according to Buddhist annals.
    It is the final path the Buddha discovered within his own life.
     
  6. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not sure what that has to do with what I brought up. You used two words that I'm trying to access how you define.
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Your life is its own purpose Ayn Rand
     
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  8. Dirty Rotten Imbecile

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    What does Ayn Rand know?
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    What does God know? At least there was empirical evidence she existed.
     
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  10. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not much, but she was a shiny new object.
     
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  11. Injeun

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    There is no empirical evidence that the light of conscience to know good from evil exists beyond the civilization we build from it. Yet we know it exists because when we gather for its cause, it is there in spirit.
     
  12. Pixie

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    It is called the same impulse to survive as a species as any living thing displays.
    What is called "right" is behaviour which supports our species. "Wrong" is what challenges it.
    It really is that simple.
     
  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. You are conflating your Faith with the thing itself.

    Faith is a gift. We do not all have it, though we try.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=pri...sgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&safe=active&ssui=on
     
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  14. Overitall

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    Did you read it in a book? :)
     
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  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I saw her on television years ago.
     
  16. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Apostle Paul saw the resurrected Christ on his way to Damascus.
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Even in her 80's Ayn was prettier.
     
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    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :)
     
  19. Injeun

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    No it isn't. That's selfishness or creaturism. Conscience is choosing and doing what is right regardless the temporal gain or loss.
     
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    I agree.

    But it is odd to see you write that after seeing you equate obedience to power (ultimate power being your God) with morality. Or to see you call the death of one opposing said authority a blessing.

    I think morality is doing what is right even when such authority tells you to do wrong. Morality would have been Abraham or Jeptha saying no, I won't kill my child for you, because that is wrong. It is the Muslim who refuses Allah ordering them to fly a plane into a building. It is the Catholic Bishop who refuses to hide child molesting colleagues from the public eye, regardless of what "damage to reputation" their exposure may bring to the church.
     
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    What we call "right" is the protection of the species. I don't care what name you give it.
    And since when are people not creatures?
     
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    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    God Bless.
     
  23. RoanokeIllinois

    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    God is God, and I am not. I'm not perfect, and neither is any human being on this Earth.

    However, if you look at one of my other philosophies, it says that Even Heaven has Borders. They're called Gates.
     
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    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    Very elegantly put. However, God is hope, and God is Love. God is the beginning and the end, and he created all of those beautiful things that you just mentioned.
     
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    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    I'd agree to most of that, with 1 condition. God, and not gods.
     

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