Women In Combat Roles Face These “Disproportionate Medical Risks”

General Robert Barrow gave a great speech about women in combat to the Senate Armed Services Committee back in June 1991. Look it up on YouTube.

 

That's patently false.

1. Males max at between 18 and 23 depending on age. (This has changed since I was in. Used to max at 20)

2. Females max between 3 and 10 depending on age.

3. Females under 40 average 7 to 8. An average 75% score on the hardest aspect of the PFT is pretty damn good.

 

Private Benjamin would not last one day in the Viet Cong army

 

Yes, it was different when I left the Corps as well. I just had the max for the age bracket wrong.

The majority age bracket 21-25:
Pullups:
Females = 9 for 100 points
Males = 23 for 100 points

My point is still the same, equality still isn't equal. And with the new standards they can only get 70 points for push-ups so it's a no brainer. Even with that 85% of entry level females failed the PFT in the sample taken in 2016 and only 3% of males failed the new standards. Active duty females also had the highest rate of failure in FY2017.

 

So is it equal or not? Obviously not.

 

I have no problem with women in combat - as long as they can meet the same physical standards as the men. Certainly some women can... but to lower the standards for the sake of social engineering and political correctness is absurd and dangerous. But if she can carry the pack and hit the target with her rifle, there is no reason to keep her out of a combat MOS. However, she should be required to carry a FUD so she can pee while walking like the men.

 

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...and no men ever died in combat and no men ever suffered from physical wounds and/or stress from combat.....that's good to know....



So good to know the Nannyists want to "protect" women....

I have no problem with men in combat as long as EVERY one meets the same physical standards,,,,if any don't then men shouldn't be in combat....that is EXACTLY what you are saying.


Men should be required to learn how to pee in all situations....Gee, it's such an important part of defending the country.

IF you had an inkling of history you'd know that women handle peeing quite efficiently in all sorts of horrible conditions such as settling a new country in long inconvenient uncomfortable skirts .....they didn't just quit peeing because the going was rough.....they even held it in when flying fighter jets , handled it quite well in space flights.....it's amazing how well women handle things ...but if there's a real sick need to control everything women do I can see where you need to even control their peeing.

 

Of course every man has to meet the standards. Those who can't are rejected. As to your second point, troops often have to urinate while walking - you can't stop the platoon every time someone needs to take a leak, hence you learn to whip it out and go while you are walking. Women can only do this with a device called a FUD. You can't tell the enemy to stop shooting at us because Sally needs to squat for a minute...

 

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Not to hurt anyone's feelings, but has anyone every heard of Molly Pritcher? Women have fought side by side with men in wars. I don't feel women should be exempt from serving in the military, but they should not be made to serve in combat. Their are enough jobs they can fill in support of the men rather than serving in combat. Logistically for every man in combat it takes 4 others to supply one combat soldier.

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As long as they can meet the physical requirements, of course.

 

If "who can carry the most weight" decides wars now, the USA is doomed. Time we stop spending money on having the most advanced weapons and technology and buy barbell sets so we can win wight lifting contests with North Koreans and Russians if need be. That is the logic of the OPer.

 

Name a military that had a significant number of women in combat roles who has ever lost a war?

I could list hundreds who didn't have women in combat roles who lost wars.

The few battles Russian women were in with Germans proves the OP wrong. What was learned is that one women go into the killing mode, they are almost impossible to stop even if ordered to retreat. In one battle, the Russian men fled but the women's unit refused to. They fought to the end inflicting massive loses to Germans including to German heavy armor. "Hell hath no fury" like women once they start killing in combat. One speculation was that is due to women tending to take a maternal instinct towards fellow troops so once there are any casualties on their side it is as if their own family members are being killed. They also speculated this may be more true if fighting on their own soil, ie fighting for their "home."

But for Russian women, the decisive battle of Stalingrad would have been lost by the Russians. In that sense, it was women in combat that reversed the course of the war for Germany.

In fact, women shoot as well as men and make better snipers. Generally, women are smaller targets. Women endure pain better than men, like evolved from childbirthing, and women are more efficient converters of food and water - meaning they do not need to carry as much and can out endure a man if supplies run short.

There will always be men who measure military capability based upon caveman values. In their evaluation, even men are not the best for combat, but mules are because they can carry more weight. That method of warfare, whose side is physically stronger, ceased to have much to no relevancy many decades ago.

 

Unlike many militaries at the time, the Soviet Union made use of women as snipers. In 1943, there were more than 2,000 female Soviet snipers in the Red Army. Females made great long-range shooters because of their flexibility, cunning, and patience.

The youngest student at the Komsomol sniper school, 17-year-old Russian Klavdiya Kalugina wasn’t a great shot at first. She had keen eyesight, but her talent emerged as her squad leader gave her personal instruction.

Kalugina is credited with 257 German kills, but taking her first human life was not an easy task for the young sniper. Partnered with her best friend Marusia Chikhvintseva on the front line, they didn’t even take a single shot on their first night.

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Known as “Lady Death,” Lyudmila Pavlichenko was such an effective sniper that the Nazis tried to bribe her into switching sides. Fortunately for the Soviets, it would take more than promises of chocolate and being made an officer to sway her.

During her defense of Sevastopol, Pavlichenko became a woman with a reputation of deadly accuracy and sustained counter-sniping missions. She scored a total of 309 confirmed kills, making her one of the most successful snipers during World War II, and the top female sniper in history.

In the Soviet Union, citizens viewed her as a respected soldier, but in her visits to the United States to rally support, Americans treated Pavlichenko like a sideshow act.

Fed up with the questions about makeup and fashion on the battlefield, she snarkily replied, “Gentlemen, I am 25 years old and I have killed 309 fascist occupants by now. Don’t you think, gentlemen, that you have been hiding behind my back for too long?”

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Roza Shanina displayed her badassery from a young age. Determined to receive an education past elementary school, for grades five-seven, she trekked to the nearest village. It was an eight-mile walk. At the age of 14, Shanina ran away (120 miles away) to attend college in Arkhangelsk.

Word then came that her 19-year-old brother had perished in the Siege of Leningrad. Shanina, now age 17, requested admittance into the military but was denied. Instead, she enrolled in the Central Female Sniper Academy in 1943 for preparation.

Credited with 59 confirmed kills during her relatively short career, Shanina was dubbed the “unseen terror of East Prussia.” Her precision was legendary, and she made doublets (hitting two targets in quick succession) with ease.

 

My dad and uncle were both 5'4" & 125 lbs when they fought in WW II and Korea as did many of their peers. Most female soldiers today are taller, heavier, and in better condition than either was. If you insist on having more foreign wars, then you have no choice but to use the type of soldiers who make themselves available to fight them.

Bear in mind that the two wars that traitor Bush created were not needed in the first place. Nor is there a need to have American troops overseas. Let Europe defend itself and let's keep all of our money and resources here.

 

Enlisted soldiers have had the right to file formal complaints about their officers for a long time. It's not a new thing. And yes, complaint does go on an officers' record, as does the results of the complaint, such as if the officer was found to have acted illegally, or not incompliance with rules and regulations, or in a way that was found to be unbecoming of an officer. The fact that they had a complaint filed is very unlikely to effect their career. It's the results of any investigation into the complain that could, if the complaints are found to have merit.

 

The white feather campaign that British women embraced during WW1, as well as those insane feminists we are saddled with today tells me that women need to really get some proper experience of what war is like, so I'm all in favor of women serving on the front lines.

I'm all about equal rights for women, so long as they get to vote. Take their vote away, and then maybe in a few decades, they can be excused from being drafted into the cannon fodder brigade. But while they vote, I want them to be in front of me when it's time to go over the top when the whistle blows.

 

I would certainly agree, and I'd even like to see one physical standard for combat arms roles.

 

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Uncle Ferd likes to watch womens train fer combat...

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How long did the guys live after posing?

 

Sexist nonsense.....period.

When I was body building, there were women in the gym who could lift way more then I could....and I was relatively big.

And when I served in the military, women were just as brave as men.

Saying women cannot haul this or physically do that is 100% nonsense and proves you just don't think of women as equals...or you have never been to a serious gym.


And don't bother responding - it will be ignored.

I don't have NEARLY enough respect for you to waste a second more on anything you have to say on this.


Once again, your post is sexist nonsense....PERIOD.

 

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Those "facts" about the physical difference between men and women are false. Men do not have a 40% higher aerobic capacity. That doesn't even make sense. Endurance is actually one of the physical measure where women and men are practically equal.

As there are for the men who enroll in these combat positions there should be physical requirements that ensure that small unfit or weak women and men are not allowed to join. There are plenty of women out there who are stronger than the average man. Some who are stronger than most men. Go take a look at female professional athletes. They are far beyond the average male. The women who compete at the Crossfit Games for example could easily out work most soldiers

Its likely that not all women could pass these tests, but the women who can should be allowed to join up.

 

Still another man who believes that we should disband all combat units in all branches of the military as the only way any war or battle is fought is by men carrying 100 pound packs and lifting artillery shells. I suppose some would have to carry hundreds of pounds of wire to establish communications since all electronics is out, as are all aircraft, ships, drones, trucks and everything but strong back men with IQs of 80.

That is as idiotic view of modern warfare as it gets and by comparison then the N. Korean military is 200 years ahead of the USA in military potential and tactics.

The greatest curse to any military are old ex-military who endlessly relive their past 15 seconds of fame. That is why Germany so easily over ran France in WW2 - though France had a larger military plus had hundreds of thousands of British allies - all of French military command were hanger-ons from WW1.

The OP message's view of warfare goes back to the Civil War as the final state of the art of military warfare - other than there also can be no horses or wagons.

 

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