Wonder what the socialist democrats are really up to? Hang on... it's scary.

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  1. Moonglow

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    My kids had academic scholarships which paid for everything, but the parties..
     
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    Guaranteed by the federal government. So either the student lives a life of crushing debt to afford those leftist voters salaries, or they default and we pick up the tab of those college professors lavish salaries.

    Do you know who votes "democrat"?

    The extremely poor, and the extremely rich.

    The middle class overwhelmingly doesn't vote D, because they're the ones paying for everything.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh I see. Free.

    You mean like no one got paid for them to go to college? Did the college waive the cost of the education?
     
  4. Moonglow

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    "Leftist voter salaries", well I can tell you flunked English..Congrats...
     
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    what is Not market friendly about this,

    we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh I agree. That would be the Democrats and leftist running the colleges to make those 3 figure salaries.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can tell you flunked debating with the obvious hitting of the "eject from the argument" button.
     
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    Unicorns, fairies, and pipe dreams. :roflol:


    Another fail. Increase demand, and supply either can't keep up or dries up. Money is only worth what it can purchase. :severe facepalm:

    Oh, and you were right about one small thing. There will still be a dollar menu, but instead of a wafer thin burger, the item will be a WAFER instead. :roflol:
     
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    Normally yes they do in Mizzouri.. There is one college not too far away by Branson in which you can work yer way through college at the college...Killer idea. Now the kids are getting college credits in high school for advanced classes called AP my youngest son is in the program. It does cost around seventy-five dollars though. I guess I'll pay for that an not take out a student loan...That's how I went to college and paid for it.
     
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    BTW: Its a University, not a College. It is also a state university with an annual tuition of about $7,000, so very reasonable. Third, like many state universities, ours gets only 6% of its budget from the state. But, of course, when you have an ax to grind against education, you probably don't care. Maybe one of your kids will take a chemistry class with me in the future, maybe then you will care.
     
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    Your use of echo chamber generalities shows a shallow depth of knowledge about political science.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really.

    Why don't you tell us what type it was. You know, so I can check it and stuff.
     
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    You never learned how to research on da internet? I had to learn the hard way in libraries with books..even law libraries...
     
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    I have no problem with education. I paid for mine by fighting in Iraq.

    What I have a problem with is indoctrination, forcing the tax payer to fund lavish salaries at colleges, putting kids in a lifetime of debt, and then cutting them off when they graduate with their degree in Advanced Beyonce.

    If you work in a STEM field as you say, teaching a program that is actually there to teach valuable topics, then my comments are not necessarily directed at you.

    You cannot ignore the fact that we are graduating ridiculous numbers of students who graduate with massive debt, who have worthless degrees, and the only thing they learned in college was how to dress up in ISIS gear and bash the fash.
     
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    Yeah, in fact, I did. Dewey decimal system and all that jazz.

    Tell me what kind of grant they got. That way I will know if it was free, or if by "free" you meant "taxpayer funded".

    Your hesitance to say is pretty revealing though.
     
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    Your ad homs reveals your own.
     
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    lol.........."Advanced Beyonce" :grin: That's a major problem with many collegiate degrees. Students get useless degrees, saddled with debt, then blame the system for their own piss poor choices. One does not need a 4 year formal degree when learning a vocation or specialty is less expensive and in many cases more lucrative and marketable.
     
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    Off topic, but if you look at inflated college costs, look no further than the college "experience", i.e. hotel-like dorms, state of the art exercise facilities and athletics, manicured lawns, tons of admin in student services, counseling etc.
    I have personally not seen a raise in 3 years. This year is the first 2% raise after this dry spell, meaning that even after this raise, I have not kept up with inflation for 4 years. I know lots of other professors in the same boat. it is not professor salaries that drive up student loan debt.
     
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    No; I think the mentality behind this has been growing and they have been feeding it to people for a long time. This is just a more overt sign that they think they can bring it about now.
    I think we are headed for some very dangerous times, and some very crazy people.
     
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    Who's making all the money from providing those services? Someone is.

    I'm not personally attacking you, and I'm sure you're an intelligent person who is at least teaching something valuable in your environment. You're a cog in the wheel like the rest of us.

    However, someone is benefiting from the cost of higher education, and it isn't the students in many cases.
     
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    Mike Rowe is one of my favorite people for just that reason, and an incredibly bright person.
     
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    it is about supply and demand; even the dollar menu won't double.

    fake news is all the right wing has.
     
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    Well- we want to believe that, however historically the less responsible people are, the more dependent they are willing to be, the more popular it is to vote themselves money from the public treasury. That depends heavily on the ratio of voters who think that way compared to those who know better- and that number is rising. "Free" is a term that attracts all kinds of people; all it takes is the will to deny what you know is true in the long run to profit today. The number of such people are growing, and the democrats are trying to give things away now to get more dependent voters- things like unrestricted immigration.

    A lot of crap is happening today that would never has gotten any acceptance at all 30-40 years ago. Times are changing, and getting dangerous because of this.
     
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    Is it the indian in her? ha ha

    Warren, if she actually wants to nationalize our production of goods and services, is a blooming idiot. I did not read the article though, so not sure if she is actually calling for that, or if this is a right winger's perception. ha ha

    Once a democrat (and she is a rare bird in the banking corporate owned democratic party) does not want capitalism to finance a Commons, (which the right side falsely says is socialism) they are in Wonderland.

    I will tell you what a real fear should be though, from real deal socialists. If our economic model continues to only serve a few at the top, this suffering, as it grows, and more are in poverty, working poor, will be a cause for people to embrace socialism, the real deal kind. It happened during the great depression, and you can read all about that. We changed the form of capitalism being used, and saved it. And the capitalism we lived under created history's largest middle class, which is not natural under an elite, maxed out profit capitalism. I have seen two forms of capitalism in use in my life. And this current kind is destructive of capitalism. So that is what people should fear. For it is a valid fear to have. We have seen it once before and that is what changed the form of capitalism being practiced in the US. FDR really did perhaps save capitalism. For the gilded age kind, that had something to do with creating a great depression, inevitable creates too much disparity income to be sustainable for the rest of the nation, the non elites. I think this is a fact.
     
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    Only if we cannot produce enough to keep up, right? When I was in business, if I could not keep up with demand, I would have expanded and added workers, to catch some of that demand. ha ha. As would my competition. I actually did this twice in my life, expanded.

    I think the idea of limited production is no longer a fact. Scarcity might very well be, many times, a ruse. Unless you are talking about some third world hell hole that cannot produce enough food to feed their population, and no one else can either.
     

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