World Health Organisation supports reopening of Chinese wet markets.

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    What I mean is, that only one individual store is captured in that picture. How do you know that there are others next to it? It could just be a random individual store on a street with no others next to it.

    I've acknowledged that SO many times! You brought it up and I agreed with you. In fact, it helped my argument, because it makes sense that with more people comes more risks with things like wet markets. The difference that I can see why this should mean different regulations than other countries which have less people, while you cannot.

    Yes, so you acknowledge that China is different?

    What are you saying that I cannot debunk?

    Are you even aware that one of your sources has the headline: "A Wuhan doctor says Chinese officials silenced her coronavirus warnings in December, costing thousands their lives?" https://www.businessinsider.com/wuh...-december-2020-3?international=true&r=US&IR=T

    What the hell are you talking about? Fauci speaks to the media every single day! :roflol:
     
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    That's good honest work. I've done it as well, the entire process from live animal to freezer packages. There was a time when it was fairly easy to buy ranch beef, have it processed by a local meat shop and rent cold storage if needed.

    Moving everyone to a few major packing houses has made our meat supply chains a lot more vulnerable.
     
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    How so?
     
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    Right here:
     
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    You weren't being sarcastic?
     
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    Because a souq works like that. And it's not relevant to the point that I posted pictures of live and dead camels of a wet market in the middle east. A type of wet market you wrongfully claimed it can not be where MERS started. I made you admit you can't rule it out.

    Yeah... different regulations = double standards for people.


    The amount of people that live there per square mile is on place 59. Plenty of countries are higher than that, and have wet markets. They are just smaller in size. I fail to see your point in here.

    debunk... "it"... referring to a specific "it".

    It's remains a FACT that the Chinese government notified the WHO the very next day that a doctor in Wuhan notified his colleagues.

    How on earth is that "talking" to be media considered to be TESTIFYING to house of representatives? Thats rather fascist. So far we got Donald and his WH having kept a memo secret saying it could cause a million deaths, while Donald went downplaying it all over that it won't be bad. And now this. Donald is simply a liar and refuses to be transparent. That is causing people to die.
     
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    Not at all. That was a great answer, and the truth.
     
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    To be truthful, I didn't know that it was to do with Trump not allowing Fauci to testify before the House, but thought that I was responding to an accusation that Trump is refusing to let Fauci 'testify' (speak to) to the media. I thought that the member who I was responding to was referring to weeks ago when Trump wouldn't allow Fauci to answer a question from a media activist. So when you responded to me with that link to Trump giving his reason for refusing to allow Fauci to testify before the house, I thought that you were trying to demonstrate that I was wrong!
     
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    You saw the above post, right?
     
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    I thought that you were trying to say that the LIVE camels were definitely for sale at the market in the picture. It now seems clear that your point is simply that the camels are THERE. Well okay, but the camels were not stacked on top of other animals like the animals in Chinese wet markets which are all for sale.

    So my country Australia has different regulations to the US. Is that a double standard in your mind?

    And these countries should have the regulations which apply to THEM. Why? Because they're DIFFERENT!
    Just to confirm, do you think that there is ANYTHING at all that China can learn from this pandemic? Even one single thing?

    You didn't specify what the "specific IT" was! You just said, "still not seeing you're able to debunk it." So what's the "it?"
    Again, if you were able to source that the professor is "pointing the finger at the US", you would've done so by now, LONG AGO! :roflol:

    I think that you're totally confused. Are you under the impression that the doctor in Wuhan who notified their colleagues is the doctor who was arrested? If so, then you're DEAD WRONG!

    I thought that you were referring to when Trump didn't allow Fauci to answer a question a few weeks ago. My mistake.
     
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    I proved the live animals are there at the market. I proved the butchering happens there as well. If you're going down that road to claim, but there was no sale.... it's just fake and a show of just a guy with a massive knife with a piece of plastic ribcage ... than it's up to you to prove that one, Chris.

    That's because you don't stack 6 feet tall, 2000 pound animals like a freaking rabbits, Chris.


    You need to argue yourself how different rules applying to different countries is not a double standard.

    Nope. When massive amounts of countries got the same type of wet markets, than I fail to see why some wet markets must get rules A and others rule B, without being able to deny that this is applying a double standard.

    I'm not a pandemic expert.

    I don't need to since this applies to a specific context.
    Seems you got no clue what we're discussing and need help. lol


    I proved that China informed the world in 24 hours after that doctor notified his colleagues that some weird new flu was up. With that, China proved to be quick and transparent about what was going down. You can't say that about the US who covered up THEIR Spanish flu. You can not say Donald is transparent now because he downplayed the virus all over while did not disclose to it's citizens it's a rather deadly disease. Same Donald who refuses Fauci to testify. Same Donald who wants Fauci to be fired. That Fauci who claimed Donald ignored him for weeks when he called for social distancing. That Fauci who claimed that Donald the snail reacted so late that this OBVIOUSLY got people killed. And than YOU brought up this doctor who got arrested. I'm under the impression YOU are trolling off topic with that doctor.
     
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    Fauci is testifying before the Senate. The House is run by fools intent only on circus acts. Trump is very wise not to engage them in their foolishness. Lying Schiff has some phone records to release. If the House doesn't like it, they can take it to a judge or they can impeach Trump again.

    This entire time, Trump has been working, fielding questions and communicating nearly daily, while Pelosi is holed up with her $24,000 freezers filled with $15/pint ice cream.

    The contrast could hardly be more stark.
     
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    Schiff has phone records relating to coronvirus?
     
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    Exactly, so nothing like a Chinese wet market.

    If a country with wet markets which sell bats, has the exact same lack of regulation as Chinese wet markets, and the rests of the world is not calling for them to be regulated in the exact same way as Chine, then yes, that is a double standard. However, that's not what's going on here.

    Yet you are comfortable blaming the pandemic in America on Trump! Now THAT'S a double standard! :roflol:

    Here's the context: if you were able to source that the professor is "pointing the finger at the US", you would've done so by now, LONG AGO! :roflol:

    Not the doctor who was arrested! You think that the doctor who was arrested is the one who notified colleagues! And you say "HIS colleagues", but your source says that it's WOMAN! It was a MAN who was arrested! You're so unbelievably confused!
     
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    huh? This was about if MERS was able to originate on a wet market, since it was unclear to you if there were live animals there just like elsewhere. And it remains so that you can not rule it out. You ruled it out, but could not prove it.

    Oh? There is a lack of regulations in China unlike other places. Source this please.
    Not aware of regulations set by the world invading countries sovereignty.
    Is the US also submitted to these so called laws from no doubt some iffy foreign corrupt institution?
    I think not.

    What double standard? No president is so good in downplaying this virus like Donald. "He was downplaying this virus even before people knew how to downplay" "Nobody knows in the history of this planet how to better downplay this virus than Donald"

    Ah you know what we're talking about. Took you long enough.
    And I replied to this that you have not debunked it.

    You brought up "the doctor" I don't care. China notified the WHO the very next day that a doctor notified his colleagues. You doubted this. I proved it. And so I proved that China was fast and transparent from the start. And this "but the doctor" is just trolling off topic.
     
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    I'm making the point that the ALIVE camels aren't in contact with other animals because they're clearly not for sale. So yes, we can rule out wet markets for MERS unless you can prove LIVE camels for sale in close contact with other animals like the insane crap that we see in China.

    The very fact that LETHAL bats are included in the markets. Bats which were the source of BOTH SARS viruses! And they are STILL for sale in China! They are too in Indonesia and they should also stop selling them!

    There are none. However, this doesn't mean that countries shouldn't do it.

    Do you think that the the UN and the WHO is corrupt?

    Then why are you offering any opinions on coronavirus?

    Why do I need to debunk it? The professor has already done that! You said that the professor is "pointing the finger at the US", when he instead DEBUNKED that very thing! :roflol:

    The female doctor notifying her colleagues is not a significant event. You're pretending that this is the
    point at which the Chinese government first became aware of everything and then they told the WHO! Nice try! :roflol:
     
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    It was your original point that MERS did not come from a wet market.
    You totally failed to prove this!

    While I proved that there are live camels at the market,
    and camels being butchered at the market as well.

    I asked you to prove that China has a lack of regulations compared to the WORLD.
    Not seeing any sources. You're still demanding double standards.

    You're not responding to my question. Please respond.

    Because I can.

    If you could, you would have...

    It's a significant event, because that's the first time this knowhow was shared among doctors.
    So far you're unable to disprove this.
     
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    Incorrect. My original point was that no expert has LINKED wet markets to MERS, whereas they most certainly have with both Chinese SARS viruses!

    Not to the rest of the ENTIRE world!. However, there is an obvious difference in regulations between China and any countries which don't sell animals as LETHAL as bats, which we know have been the source of two deadly SARS pandemics. However, Indonesia for example, is no different to China, and should ALSO stop selling bats. So, not a double standard.

    I already said "there are none" when you said that you were "not aware of regulations set by the world invading countries sovereignty." You left this part of my reply out in your reply. So your question "is the US also submitted to these so called laws from no doubt some iffy foreign corrupt institution" is no longer relevant considering that I have said that no such laws exist. So do you think that the the UN and the WHO is corrupt? If not, what are these "iffy foreign corrupt institutions?"

    But I thought that you're "not a pandemic expert!" Why did you say that if you don't think that it stops you from having an opinion? Clearly you were trying to avoid answering the question, "just to confirm, do you think that there is ANYTHING at all that China can learn from this pandemic? Even one single thing?" :roflol:

    YOU haven't debunked anything PERSONALLY either! You and I have BOTH used the professor! I noticed that you haven't repeated that the professor is "pointing the finger at the US!" :roflol:

    This has nothing to do with when the Chinese government became aware.
    You're forgetting that the government became aware when the doctor they arrested told them! You're going to have to do better than that! :roflol:
     
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    You made your point with "No, MERS did NOT come from a wet market, but I'm guessing that you knew that."...
    You stated that as a fact. And we both know I demanded this to be sourced, and you failed to do so.

    Ah, not the entire world... so you still have not moved beyond making double standards.
    You also claim crap about Indonesia, but as far as I heard... they still sell them there too.

    So you brought up crap that does not happen and so aint relevant. There is a word for that: trolling.

    You go prove your point and say why this is relevant.
    Kind of done answering random questions.

    You go prove your point and say why this is relevant.
    Kind of done answering random questions.

    Point remains you have not debunked that 3 people are pointing at the US as the point for the origins of the Spanish flu. And all you can say is that there is no prove of it,... while we all know that's only because it's a FACT that the US kept it secret. Burden remains on the US as not being one bit transparent about the origins of one of the most deadliest viruses of the modern history. Hence the US has no rights to complain about China who has been rather transparent about covid.


    That has everything to do with it.
    You go source this was how the Chinese government became aware of it, and not when the doctors notified each other.
     
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    Yeah, just like someone didn't kill someone that they're accused of killing until it's proven that they did it.

    Why would countries which don't sell bats need regulations in place to stop the sale of bats?

    Yes, Indonesia is still allowing bats to be sold. I said this in my last post, so what do you mean I'm claiming "crap about Indonesia?"

    You brought it up by first of all stating that there are no "regulations set by the world invading countries sovereignty." After saying this, you go on to ask, "is the US also submitted to these so called laws from no doubt some iffy foreign corrupt institution?" You ask this even while knowing that there are no such laws. So YOU are in fact trolling!

    I was just wondering what "iffy foreign corrupt institutions" you were referring to. That's all.

    I'm just wondering how much of a China defender you are. You don't seem to think there is ANYTHING at all that China can learn from this pandemic, so I was just giving you a chance to say something - a chance that you have not taken. I think that it's clear that you don't think there is anything that China can learn. Whether you like it or not, there will very likely be an international investigation into the pandemic which has left 297 thousand people dead and totally collapsed the global economy leaving tens of millions of people jobless and made poverty skyrocket even in first world countries. But by all means, continue to pretend that nothing should be done in response and that there's absolutely nothing that China can learn after their second deadly pandemic in 18 years. :roflol:

    Just as you have not debunked two people are pointing at China! (Who I don't agree with.)
    And you're just SO unbelievably confused! There are not "three people pointing at the US!" There are just TWO USELESS historians! :roflol:

    I'm a little confused, because your source says that one doctor sent the WeChat message and the below source says that a different doctor sent it. (the one who was arrested.) In general, the article talks about at least 5 people who have disappeared, gotten arrested or been silenced after speaking out about the coronavirus. I look forward to your continued solid defense of the scumbag filled Chinese Communist Party! You're doing such a good job, I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of them!:roflol:

    "The WeChat message Li sent to his medical-school contacts on December 30 told them about seven patients with an unknown virus. They had all worked at or visited the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.Four days after sharing the message, Li was summoned to a police station." https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...stleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2?r=US&IR=T
     
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    You left out the crucial line of "You stated that as a fact. And we both know I demanded this to be sourced, and you failed to do so."

    Ah.. new bandwagon... focus on bats, while MERS came from camels. You're still stuck on double standards, as I noted ages ago.

    You keep coming up with Indonesia, so you tell me.


    You came up with regulations as if China is compelled or has failed to compel to follow something. You're just all over the place when I noted you're going for double standards.

    You're indeed wondering that for the sake to than go make personal attacks.

    You're just deflecting and trolling around with these questions.

    The only country so far that has so verbally attacked in a fanatic way is the WHO and China is Donald's US of A. All other countries so a little child making a racist comment vs an American citizen who is ethnic Chinese. A country where that same little child called the virus outbreak the new hoax... while Chinese doctors landed in Italy to help out the country where 100's of people a day were dying of that "new hoax". That's where the world is at.


    There are. You've not debunked it. And all in all,... the US put a total lid on it. That's the reason there is no prove. That is a historic thing not a scientific thing. And you're just hoping I at one point will forget this.


    My point is that the Chinese government notified the WHO 1 day after a doctor notified his colleagues. And with that, I proved the Chinese government has been on top of this, and transparent. You're just trolling around with this doctor who got arrested, and dropped your point that China wasn't that fast and transparent.
     
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    I stated it just like it can be stated that someone didn't kill someone that they're accused of killing until it's proven that they did it.

    Why WOULDN'T I focus on bats, considering that they have been the SOURCE of two pandemic causing SARS viruses?

    Yeah, I'm using Indonesia as an example of another country other than China which should stop allowing the sale of bats.

    Regulations which can be SELF applied! SELF regulation. I didn't say anything about China being compelled to regulate.

    (Your subsequent paragraph really makes zero sense, so I'm just going to have to break it down and ask for clarification)
    The only country is the WHO? What do you mean?

    China is Trump's USA? What do you mean?

    "Little child?" What do you mean?

    So who exactly are the three? I'm just using your source, which is the Wikipedia article for the 1918 Spanish Flu. There are two historians who point at the US mentioned in the article. Who exactly is the third?

    They notified the WHO of a cluster of cases. Why do you think that this was so significant and is proof that China was totally transparent?
     
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    Whatever. You made a claim. And I made you confess you could not prove it. You're just all huff and puff to troll around.

    Because the CDC in the US is also concerned about cats being the SOURCE.
    Because camels are also a source.
    You're just here to apply double standards.

    Dunno why they should and others don't. Double standards... you're still aiming for it.

    The only country so far that has so verbally attacked in a fanatic way is the US. The US stands alone, or to be more exact... the GOP stands alone in the world. The GOP who called the virus "the new hoax". I doubt that other countries forgot that ill American joke, and saw an idiot at the helm aiming for a disaster, who now is blaming foreigners for the sake of reelections.

    Oh we've been through this for over a week, to now start from... who are these 3? Try to troll harder.

    You claimed they were not. And I proved you wrong that they were very fast in notifying the world through the WHO. Donald claimed it was a new hoax and or that it was all under control for weeks on end, with knowledge in the white house millions could die. So Donald was the one who wasn't transparent. Put a lying total loser at the helm... and that's what you get.
     
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    You're going to have to quote me saying that I could prove that it wasn't from a wet market. You won't be able to! Just like the law doesn't need to prove that someone DID NOT commit a crime, I don't need to prove that MERS DID NOT start in a wet market! :roflol:

    You know perfectly well how much more of a risk bats are than cats. You're trolling.

    I already mentioned Indonesia. Did you deliberately ignore it again?

    That's because you're clearly ignorant to anything outside of your US bubble. My country, Australia, has led the way in calling for an international investigation. When our government called for it, the US hadn't said anything about it.

    "Who are these 3?" No wonder you're asking me! You're completely clueless at to who the third person is! :roflol:

    Informing about a cluster of cases is hardly significant. What did they know about human to human transmission?
     

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