World leaders congratulate Joe Biden on his victory

Trump and Pence only did what benefitted them and they killed Americans with their lies on COVID.

 

How has any of that changed anything. Treaties change all the time. Did Russia take over Europe because we gave less money to NATO or something. The fact is that nothing has changed and you guys can't point to anything that has changed. Face it, there has been no effect from trumps actions on a foreign scale.

 

Yes without Trump the virus wouldn't exist lol.

 

The South Korean people want our missiles out of their country. It might surprise you, but they're not willing to die for us - nor are they willing to kill their relatives in the North for us. As soon as they vote for a president who promises to get rid of the American missiles, we pressure him to reconsider.

Anyway these incursions in other nations are going to end soon because our economy and internal strife won't render it - that is unless we decide to start a full scale war.

We haven't been a positive influence across the globe since John Kennedy started the peace corp. If anything, the example we have set for the world is nothing but hypocrisy and greed.

 

Well if that's what the media tells you, then it must be so. By the way, why aren't Biden's people social distancing?

 

The Kurds in Syria needed us & we abandoned them on the battlefield--left them there as fodder for slaughter. If you call that being dependable friends, I certainly wouldn't want you as one.

 

That's an interesting statement from someone who supports the President who did precisely that more than any President in American history. Such hypocrisy. Whew.

 

What was the rest of NATO doing?

 

How is that hypocrisy? Did I say somewhere that Trump wasn't like that?

 

While St Donald the Dirty was the most blessed figure ever to descend upon our poor benighted nation. Give it a rest willya. It's over, he lost and no amount of lickspittle fawning will make any difference at this point

 

Never said anything about Trump actually. I am glad Biden won since it will stop the incessant whining from the left for four years.

 

Kamala's ancestral homelands of India and Jamaica weigh in:

 

Exactly what they were supposed to do. They didn't abandon their outposts like we did under Trump.

 

Really....they certainly didn't bother leaving their posts to help the Kurds so that was kind of pointless in the end wasn't it?

 

It's hypocrisy to accuse one of malfesance while accepting the same behaviors from another. I disagree with you that Biden behaves that way. And as a verifiable Progressive Democrat, I assure you Harris isn't breaking the scale.

 

Where did I accept it from Trump?

 

You seem to be following Trump's footprints, always finding someone else to blame & scapegoat. How do you really feel about having our American military being forced to abandon our comrades in arms of 10 years, in the battlefield, without notice, & knowing that would leave them in an impossible situation against the Turkish army?

 

Where did you say you opposed it?

 

Well saddam was gassing them by the thousands and you wanted saddam to stay in power so it bothers me as much as it does you.

 

You're still blaming others. But I'll respond. America was watching Saddam daily using flyovers & space based reconnaisance. We had a pretty good handle on his activities. He was a butcher, much like any other authoritarian leader anywhere else, but we had no army in the field fighting with him or against him. There was no conflict there at the time.

With the Kurds, we had been fighting side by side with them for a decade in an active war. We were commited comrades in arms, & Trump ordered our abandonment of them overhight, without reason. That action left them in a position of extreme danger. After our departure, several thousand of them were slaughtered by the Turks. We're to blame. We abandoned our friends. We failed them & ourselves. Trump made our friendship a mockery & our trustworthiness a fairytale. How do you think our other allies felt just watching this happen? How do you imagine it will still impact our future relations with them? Does any of this matter to Trump supporters, or is enabling Trump the only thing they care about?

 

Where was France and britain? Were they not helping us and yet you say we turned our backs on them?

That doesn't make any sense. By the way can you point to some steps biden has said he will take to improve our relations with the kurds? And didn't Obama abandon the entire middle east during the Arab spring after he fired them up to protest? Oh yeah, Biden was there also.

 

This is not about the "media." This the 5 people I personally know who died, the 10 I know who got infected, and my own professional academic COVID research.

 

I believe the British did have troops fighting in the general area, but I'm not sure how many or their precise location. Certainly, neither Britain or France had as many troops there as we did. We were the primary leaders in the area. That's important to consider.

I'm not sure what if anything Biden can do to regain Kurdish trust. Obama didn't abandon the entire Middle East during the Arab Spring, but that movement turned from promising of democratic possibilities to an extremist Islamic movement in a very brief few weeks. Obama had a choice whether to involve America in another senseless military conflict, or leave. He chose to avoid war. I agree with him. Biden was involved at the highest levels, but the President made the final decision. I don't know for sure, but I doubt Biden disagreed with Obama's action.

 

It turned into an Islamic movement because he left them high and dry. Why were we leading that fight over there why wasn't france? Is this why you want us running NATO again so we lead more conflicts?

 

It turned into an Islamic movement because we had neither the force presence or any good reason to move in & interfere. If we had, many Americans would have lost their lives, it would have cost billions, & we would have had another useless, senseless war in the Middle Eastw. Obama was right.

Yes, I support staying in NATO, because it has been a major force keeping peace in Europe since WWII. Every organization has failures, but NATO has a fine record, & has kept a long term peace. It's certainly wise to stay in NATO for now & the foreseeable future.