Would you consider Ilhan Omar as an Islamist?

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  1. AARguy

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    And married her brother to give HIM citizenship.
     
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    No evidence that is the case.
     
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    Why does it matter?
    If one doesn't like a candidate, then don't vote for said candidate.

    What do you really mean br the term "Islamist'?
    Is that a religious belief?
    Or something different.
     
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    I think a pattern has emerged.
    It may come from your own sources of media.
    She is not cheered in most US media.
    I rarely here her in public media.

    She believes in Islam, does that make her islamist?
     
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  7. Glücksritter

    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    Maybe so, I was referring to the Guardian, but its the same by many MSM here in Germany. Possible that US media dont see her that positive. Is she rather irrelevant in US media?



    Nope.
     
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    IMO, not really.

    She's more popular in the RW media.
    So they can portray her as radical Muslim.

    What defines Islamists?
     
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    What a smear piece!!

    A lot of the above comes directly from Lorenzo Vidino, a anti-Muslim who has been thoroughly repudiated.
    https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-lorenzo-vidino/

    This individual has a long history of anti-Muslim promotion.

    Omar DOES object to Israel's police of expansionism in Palestine. One certainly doesn't have to be a Muslim to oppose Israel's acts. And, calling that "antisemitism" is no more than a cheap tactic.

    Some of your cites are unsupportable claims and innuendo aimed at her in her last election, noted by the fact that they don't include any actual evidence.

    So far your posts here seem to be focused on defending Israel from criticism of the legal and humanitarian atrocities that it is carrying out in Palestine.

    And, that is disgusting, not antiemetic.
     
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    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    Following the Quran and Hadithes exactly and return to the founding scriptures of Islam, thus deviding humans in a clear hierarchy between infidels who are created to spend the eternity after life under permanent unspeakable tortures in hell and Muslims.
     
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    Same as most Christians then.
    Just a different book. But same god.

    But then yes, she's an islamist. Is that bad? Just as bad as being Christian, isn't it?
     
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    Sorry. Don't know any Christians who speak of the unbelievers as infidels who need punishment or else. And its been quite a long time since Christians tried to destroy anyone. Islamists have done it forever and to this day. Literally NOTHING has changed. Its a dark ages religion and the proof is the amount of violence they cause around the world.
     
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    Has she expressed an opinion on whether she sees herself as an Islamist? i''ll let her pick the labels that best align with her views, because she knows what they are, not us. She's the expert here. I'll call her Rep. Omar and leave it at that.
     
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    Then you are not understanding nor paying attention.
    Unless, of course, you are distinguishing between Christians and christians as I do. Christians with a capital C are generally pretty good people. Their evil counterpart christians, on the other hard, are just that...evil personified who pretend to be Christians but in fact are just the opposite. Unfortunately, the evil christians are the most vocal which is not surprising because Jesus taught that your religion is a personal, private thing but it should affect how you treat others in life.
     
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    Its really the only thing that defines the word, and its telling you can't come up with a better definition.

    But whatever, you can consider her anything you wish. Doesn't bother me.
     
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  16. Glücksritter

    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    Its an absolute nonsense definition, as I pointed out above. It may be that you consider the US as the only country in the world that matters, but to include that Islamism must be US related as in your definition is utter nonsense. As given above, every ISIS fighter with US citizenship who returns to the US keeping a low profile there would be no Islamist according to your definition, as Osama Bin Laden or the Taliban would also be no Islamist according to your definition.

    I gave of course a far better definition above, every serious effort to give a definition is better than this utter nonsense.
     
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    Of course and I think when Pablo Escobar was always speaking of himself as a good and just man, he of course was a good man, because who should have known better than himself.
     
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    That's the problem with you, - you don't actually point anything out, you just claim others are wrong and you are right.

    Well, she is a US lawmaker, so why should I be speaking about other countries.

    They would be islamists, because they goals would be the same as any other islmaist: promotion of sharia law.

    I have not seen any definition from you.
     
  19. Glücksritter

    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    Nope. A phenomen like Islamism isnt present in any other world religion.

    1. On a theological base, you cannot give me one passage in the bible who points out that infidels go to hell, thus suffering eternal torture to the joy of those who made it to heaven. In later theology there have been Christians who stated very similar ideas and concepts of hell, but its not from the bible.

    2. What indeed does exist which makes Christianity/Bible in one aspect similar to the Islam/Quran is the duty to try to convert other people to Islam. Which is why Christianity has been used in its darker times to justify the very same acts of violence Islamists justify. E.g. Christians in South America used their religion to justify supression, slavery and genocide of the natives just as the Ottomans did with Islam in Eastern Europe. Which makes Christianity maybe the 2nd most problematic religion after Islam, but still, you cannot justify it neither from the Bible nor by the habits or teachings of Jesus. Its no wonder that as soon as the Bible text was accessible to more and more people you can watch a different development in that respect in Islam and Christianity.

    3. Theology aside, Islamism is a worldwide phenomenon. No matter how you wanna explain it, its there. It has its political ties which encourages Muslims in Indonesia to go against Christians and other minorities

    Exactly, a completely different book which defines two completely different religions. One adoring a pacifist, one adoring a war lord. Which makes the following question

    obsolete. The counterpart to the term Christian would be a Muslim, not an Islamist. An exact counterpart for Islamists dont exist in any religion, if at all you wanna find something which comes at least close to them it would rather be Christian fundamentalists, although if you did the comparison correctly a very different phenomenon. Even then your question is obsolete for reasons given above.

    In the end, if you dont think she is an Islamist, you can let religion aside and see yourself, how you like her positions I gave in the OP:

    1. Denial of the Armenian genocide, backing Turkish fascists there, denying recognition of the genocide.
    2. Denial of the suffering Islamic militants bring over the population in Kashmir.
    3. Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
    4. Summary of the events of 9/11 as "some people did something"


    Why do you ask me, how bad it is? If its great for you, thats your opinion. If thats bad for you, its bad. Although I find the pattern rather obvious, whose humans Ilhan Omar denies their humanity, you can evaluate these positions independent from my point of view, that this is the result of an Islamist world view.

    If you find e.g. the Armenian Genocide a cool thing which is fine with you, its fine for you, if you think it was bad, you think its bad. What are you asking me for "So is it as bad as..." thats something you must decide for yourself.
     
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    Because you wanted to present a definition of Islamism with which you failed miserably because it has nothing to do with US laws. You can define an Islamist as someone who likes cheesecake thus deriving from that nonsense that we cannot know if Ilhan Omar is an Islamist as long as wen dont know if she likes cheesecake.

    Maybe you have to talk to an oculist of your trust about it. After you cleared that, scroll up a little bit from here.
     
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    Whatever makes you happy. Its not my definition, it is actually how islamists are defined. They want to install sharia law. That's all I have to say about, so have a nice day & go argue with someone else.
     
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    Even that definition is neither complete nor good, but its much closer than what you wrote above. Above you wrote Islamists must try to install Sharia specifically and exclusively in the US. Thats utter nonsense to confuse the discussion and yes I will have a nice day and as long as you dont try to discuss such nonsense anymore I will discuss it with other people.
     
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    No, I never said anything about it being exclusive to US. This is why this be a waste of time. Feel free to believe anything you want.
     
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    Surprise. You want to pretend to know what Rep. Omar believes based on your interpretation of cherry-picked and exagerated incidents, then you tell all of us about her beliefs, redefine her based on your summation through your preferred label, so that her actual beliefs become collateral damage to your agenda driven anti-muslim narrative.

    We are learning a lot more about your tactics here, than we are about Omar.
     
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    Which incident is exaggerated?

    Did I refer to her religious beliefs, if so at which point?



    What we learn here is that the countless supporters of Ilhan Omar cannot refer to one of the four points I gave in the OP, instead they try to confuse the issue. You can make a bullshit bingo list. "But Trump..." several times, "your sources [CNN, India today] are White Supremacy sources", "she never said that, its all made up", etc.

    Now we have one more of these, I exaggerated this. So which point did I exaggerate? I gave exact statements and sources to the statements, what exactly is exaggerated here?
     

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