Would you support enforcing US labor laws internationally?

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  1. ronv

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    Of course we would be ceding the largest emerging market to the rest of the world.
     
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    You continue to argue that whats good for upper management at GM is also good for workers in America

    But you are dead wrong
     
  3. Daggdag

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    Try 7 days a week, 16 hour days, and little time for rest during work days.

    That is the qaverage work day for a Nike, apple, and GM worker in China. And they are paid less than a dollar per hour.
     
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    Meaning free traders are absentee slave masters
     
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    Yep the only way to effectively do this would be to conquer the world and that is unlikely to happen.
     
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  6. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And this is why I'm not terribly impressed by the argument that getting all this cheap stuff from overseas is so great. Sure, it's nice for the U.S. consumer, but ....
     
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    According to my source, they work eleven hours per day, six days a week and get $1.50/hour. Not much better.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/china-labor-watch-apple-iphone-workers-2013-7
     
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    We should be doing business only with those who enforce our labor laws. No more profiteering off of foreign slavery.

    Trump does it.
    Amazon does it.
    Apple does it.
    Walmart does it.
    (your favorite product here) does it.
    You do it.
    I do it.

    We shouldn't.
     
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    Its been good for china and bad for America
     
  10. Seth Bullock

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    Right. I would be willing to pay more for stuff if I knew it was an American worker who made it.
     
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    Simply put--------------------we do NOT want other countries interfering in our country, so we should not interfere in other countries.
     
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    It gives our biggest enemy a huge economic and geo political boost to use against us
     
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    Well there goes trade with about 80% of the rest of the world.
     
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    I'll bet 80% of the rest of the world can't afford to cut off trade with us. If we insisted that foreign manufacturers who trade with us gave a 40 hour work week and the equivalent of a better-than-minimum wage to their workers, they would have to do it.
     
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    We don't have to interfere. We can just boycott.

    We would, of course, have to pay more for things to be made by workers instead of slaves.
     
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    On the other hand, those slaves would not make any more money, if they worked elsewhere in their country and there is a good chance they would have no job at all, if it wasn't for these jobs. Is it right? No, but there are consequences to changing it.

    The tariffs will stop the import of those foreign goods. That should make you happy.
     
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    Minimum wage is China is .85 per hour USD. And sweatshops pay the minimum allowed wage. So if you see a source that says they make more, it's likely misinformed or lying.
     
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    Bad for American jobs, good for American customers.

    The only reason Walmart can keep their prices so low is because they get 99.9% of their products from Chinese and Mexican sweat shops. You take away cheap labor requiring that the companies offer better pay and benefits to foreign workers, and you will see a rise in prices.

    However, if we coupled it with free trade reform, to end free trade with China, Mexico, and other countries which do not meet out labor standards, you will also see a decline in outsourcing overall. The ONLY reason jobs are outsourced is to take advantage of and exploit foreign workers. If they have to pay more money to those workers, offer better benefits, AND pay the costs of shipping back to the US because they don't have the advantage of fees and taxes being waived because of free trade, it will be far more expensive to outsource than it is to produce domestically.
     
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    Actually most of the first world already have much better labor standards than us.
     
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    Walmart was a leading retailer before clinton and the republicans opened the doors to chinese products

    They can outsell most compamies selling the same made in china junk or the same Made In America by Americans products

    If we raise tafiffs on china and mexico walmart will still be on top

    And for your information imported junk from china is not more profitable for US sellers than Made in America

    They outsource to compete with the importers and stay in business

    But I concede that at first consumers do save a little money
     
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    I said "rest" of the world.
     
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    Yeah, we don't have free trade with most of the world.
     
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    That is the point...for everyone to be a manager to see how hard it actually is, not everyone wants the job.
     
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    You are smoking rocks if you believe that. Hechinger, K-mart and Toys R Us, tried the whole American crap..all failed spectacularly.

    Blame Americans for being cheap...nah, even Dunkins toy chest failed.
    Walmart is only a leader cause they started the Chinese cheap prices trend.

    Hell..where is your cell phone made? If it was here that b$%ch would be like $20,000
     
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    If you think making US styles wages is "being a millionaire, in China, you have never been to China. Scumbag evil companies like GM, Apple, Nike, and Walmart, have spend years bribing Chinese officials to keep wages down, and stamp out any attempt of labor reform, while the cost of living has gone up. And experts predict the cost of living will keep going up in China as they modernize their economy, while wages will stay well below a dollar per hour.
     

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