Would you vote for President Trump's plan on immigration?

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Would you vote for President Trump's immigration reform plan?

  1. Yes

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    67.3%
  2. No

    14 vote(s)
    28.6%
  3. I would vote no by refusing to vote on it

    2 vote(s)
    4.1%
  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1. Pass DACA ending deportation and a path to citizenship for "dreamers."
    2. Build wall
    3. End chain migration
    4. End immigration lottery
    5. Strictly enforce immigration laws in future

    You are in Congress and this is a bill in front of you. That's the vote, not some other plan. Get that - or get nothing.

    I left no other option in the poll as those are the only two votes in reality can be cast - for or against a bill. Do you vote yes or no?

    I would vote yes. How would you vote?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ditto, what has been needed and avoided by Congress for decades.
     
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    I love it that most of our ancestors would not had been allow off the boat under the Trump plan and we are still below replacement levels without immigration.

    I can only wonder who will be taking care of Trump and his supporters in the nursing homes and in the case of Trump that can not be too far into the future.
     
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    I'd vote yes. But I believe that Everify would do more to stop illegal immigration or even the attempt to enter America illegally than anything else. Unfortunately, we actually need a wall too, if for no other reason than stopping drug runners and terrorists. And Mexico should pay for it because the illegals, the drug runners and the terrorists are all either Mexican or coming via Mexico with Mexico's blessings. I would take Mexico to court...to the world court or something. They need to pay up......NOW.
     
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    Yes, that worked out great for the people in the USA didn't it? 97+% killed. Their population even now is only up to only 3% what it was before your ancestors got "off the boat" - and even that 3% is mostly mixed race as some NA women were kept alive for rape-camps for soldiers and settlers.

    You also left out who was "allowed" off the boats were WHITE people. Even the poem on the statute of liberty's author is about a safe refuge from social diversity - a safe refuge for white people (though the author was talking about a country as a safe refuge for Jews - for which to the oppose most Democrats intensely oppose Israel being for Jews and rant against Jews having 0.01% of land in their ancestral homeland).

    There is little intellectual integrity in many liberals claims. On the one hand, they sob of the population growth bomb including causing climate change. But then sob at the prospect of their not being rapid population growth unless we bring in millions upon millions more uneducated and unskilled immigrants, the vast majority statistically going on welfare roles, while nearly 100 million adult Americans gave up even hoping to find a job.
     
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    Where does it say he wants to cut off all immigration?
     
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    Of course not as Trump need at least a few immigrants to take care of his golf courses and his other properties.
     
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    Yes indeed a wall will stop half and full drug carrying submarines and aircrafts and drones and so on.

    Next given that we stolen the south west from Mexico by using overwhelming arm force in order to turn the lands into slave states somehow I do not think that the world court would look to grant rulings in our favor but it would be interesting and amusing to see Trump and gang give it a try.
     
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    No.

    The wall is a poison pill. So stupid and wasteful. Sure to be a future national embarassment.
     
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    Letting in more illegals costs even more, so stupid and wasteful.
     
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    Yeah, spend just a little bit more for "Prohibida La Entrada, No Entrar" signs every half mile.
     
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    You don't know that because you don't have any idea what the wall will really cost. The truth is nobody does.

    Not that it matters since the wall absolutely won't work. We will blow countless billions building it. They will find a way to get past it, and then we will be stuck with both the economic impact of illegal immigration and the cost of building staffing and maintaining a useless 2000 mile long wall.
     
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    I would vote a reluctant yes. Since when do anchor babies deserve special treatment?
     
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    LOL I think that we have no right to get on some moral high horse over Mexicans in looking for jobs that we need done cross our borders.

    Given our sad history of not honoring their nation and their borders to the point that we took half of their nation by arm force and all to made room for more slave states.

     
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    When you win you take land if you wish to; you specify that in the surrender terms you control. Sad facts but true, that's war. We also could have taken slaves if we wished to. But glad we didn't.
     
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    Yes indeed we take their lands and then cry over them not honoring the borders we created by stealing their lands in the first place.

    Given that those southern states taken from Mexico have been nothing but a problem since we had taken them it too bad that we just can not just give them all back to Mexico but for CA.
     
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    I want a method for recouping some of the taxes we've lost. Garnishing wages and financial penalties for businesses employing illegals at present, from the past and in the future should be a part of it. If not, it will continue. I'm open to further penalties, such as fines and prison time for Congress, governors, mayors, state and local officials and employees, and anyone who violated or continues violating federal laws. I'm sure this isn't popular. I'm for the basic bill and more. I guess my vote would be no.
     
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    Has he said that he wants to reduce legal immigration numbers?
     
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    A fence will keep the neighbors dogs and kids from getting into your backyard. But they can go over it and dig under it. So you improvise with something to discourage that. But for the most part, it is secure, even though you have to patrol it for new breeches. And there are laws that punish abusers of boundaries.

    We need E-Verify to punish employers who hire illegals and which will cut off the jobs magnet. And we need a wall or fence to discourage drug runners and terrorists.
     
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    Mexico was paid for those lands and they agreed to the border.
     
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    So where exactly is that two hundred year old border? Illegals are in every state of our nation. And none of them were born two hundred years ago.
     
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    We already did vote for Trump's immigration plan. Until all the smoke clears and this is said and done, the only plan I know is the one he ran on. Nobody expected him to end DACA the way he did, that's what he actually DID, now it looks like DACA is dead in the water and Democrats only have themselves to blame. I'm not going to judge Trump on what he offers or says, only on what he actually does...
     
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    From what I had read his plan would cut the numbers in half.

    So if someone would break down your front door and then with a gun to your head offer to paid what ever they care to for your house that would be fine with you as after all you had agree to those terms?

    At the time of that agreement the US army had the Mexican government surrounded in their capital and under their control.

    The US military was in fact very careful in fact not to allow the members of the Mexican government to disband and flee.
     
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    Mexico lost that territory in a war. They were lucky to be paid anything for it.
     
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    A war that they did not start but one that we very carefully provoked.

    Sorry but as US Grant wrote it was a very shameful act of a powerful nation against a far weaker one.

    Giving us no moral right to be so outraged over Mexicans peacefully looking for work on our 'side' of the border.

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