WTF is wrong with Minneapolis?

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  1. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    I generally brush off racism accusations as noise from 99% of high resonance cases involving a death of black person by a white person.
    This week, though, is different.
    Let’s explore what happened with clear head:
    1. A cop holds down a suspect face down handcuffed, applying full body weight on the neck of the suspect. 3 cops participated directly, 4th one was standing there keeping away the crowd pleading the cops to let the suspect into the cops car. Suspect was pleading to breathe!
    2. Medics arrived. They grabbed the still warm body of Floyd and loaded him as a bag of potatoes into the ambulance and took off. You can see from their video that they were taking their time, even though if they immediately started resuscitations, did a heart massage and lung ventilation Floyd would probably survive.
    3. Preliminary autopsy reports have wording “potential intoxication” in the official preliminary report, which just say that whoever prepared that document - made a guess.
    4. I just saw a video on Facebook showing a police car riding on the street pepper spraying protesters, even though on that video everyone stands on the sidewalks and cars can pass freely.
    Here is the video from 4:
    https://www.facebook.com/22002325/posts/10103766794725191/?d=n

    It seems like the situation is getting from bad to worse. We don’t need to go deep into first point because almost everyone, liberal or conservative, agrees that the cops actions were not justified and he must do time for at least manslaughter. The second point though - Minnesota is known for its good health care system. Why didn’t the paramedics recognize the fact that they should have immediately started resuscitations? Nobody riots about paramedics, but while I can somehow explain (not excuse) the actions of dumb cops, I struggle to come to understanding as to why paramedics did nothing on arrival.
    The third point - an autopsy report with a guess about intoxication is outrageous. Such reports should state facts, not guesses. If they didn’t do toxicology report they should not have put it on the preliminary report. In my eyes, this report reeks of some bias and can end up aggravating the riots even more.
    The 4th point - why are cops riding around town and spray people with pepper without even getting out of the car. Cops act as reckless hooligans spraying people with substances when they are not protecting themselves and without even trying to get out of the car and talk people into leaving the area.

    After this week, I have only three words: What. The. ****? And it’s only Saturday, who knows what is going to happen tonight.
    Why are cops allowed to be agitators? Where is the mayor? Where is the police chief? Both of them are liberals and police chief (I’ve heard) is black! Why are they pepper spraying crowds for no good reason and abandoning entire police station? What kind of a brainless idiot is in charge there? One would thing a logical and intelligent leader with IQ over 90 would defend the police station but would prohibit agitation of the crowds as seen from that video where cops indiscriminately pepper spray people standing in sidewalks. Why are medics arriving on the scene and do nothing even though they know the body is till warm and the heart was beating just a couple of minutes ago? Why is the autopsy report having such a sensitive guess in it?
    It’s like both sides want to spark a real shooting civil war. Do those people want a real taste of blood and live in a real war zone? It’s like a long train of f@ck ups, one after another with no end in sight. This train can lead to a real war, with lots of people struggling, dying and living in war-poverty.

    I sincerely hope this won’t escalate any further. Minneapolis needs to do something about their cops and how they conduct themselves. As well as medics. Mass media should shut up and stop their racial agitation. It’s not funny anymore. It’s like the freedom of speech and chase of advertising revenue makes mass media companies direct contributors to already bad situation with their claims of racial bias without any real direct hard proof. If the cop was such a racist as to kill someone for their race that cop wouldn’t serve for 20 years. He’d be in jail or fired a long time ago. Screening racism from every TV screen agitates riots even more! Don’t forget, one of those cops is Hmong, and I believe at least one of the 4 is Latino. There is more to all of this than just racism.

    Besides these very weird Minneapolis failures, it’s strange how fast the riots spread. Is there a central power behind all of this? Could this be some form of a managed chaos? If so, then one begs to ask - who is it and why are they doing it?
     
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    Yeah, it's President Trump's fault.
     
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    I will admit, it may not be racism, this cop may just be a bad cop that would have done this horrific thing to anyone - still would not make it right

    there were witnesses at the scene that were pleading with the cops to stop, but the cop continued on, this was cold-blooded
     
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    Democrats and neo-communist eventually eat their own. They are sacrificing their own to try to score political points on trump.

    Democrats think...

    Hurting America = Helping Democrats

    Recovering economy = bad for Democrats
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    we do not know if the cop was a Trump supporter or not yet, you are just guessing
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    why do you think the rioters were all democrats, you are just guessing
     
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    Because they are criminals smashing stores and stealing TVs.

    Most Democrats aren't criminals but most criminals are Democrats.

    People who love America don't burn it down.
     
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    Why is it Trumps fault?
    To me it looks like a case of severely incompetent mayor. He is the one who hired the police chief. He is the one who has direct control of what his police officers are doing. It is his leadership who are the supervisors of the medics that came in and did nothing when they could have saved Floyd. And it’s his system that allowed a preliminary autopsy report with a guess about intoxication.

    Trump has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.
     
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    Blue areas are dangerous. It is foolish to live there or try to do business there.
     
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    so you don't think a republican would be upset about a cop killing a unarmed handcuffed black person

    but if the gov came after their ar-15's all hell would break out....

    Probably a good guess
     
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    Trump comments did not help, that is for sure
     
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    I’m a conservative leaning moderate and can tell you with confidence - everyone I know was outraged by this killing.
    So, take your partisan BS and labels somewhere else.
    People are outraged by this death, looting, riots and lawlessness. Believe it or not, one can be pissed about Floyd’s death and about riots and looting at the same time.
    Looting kills the point that peaceful protesters were trying to make. Now on TV in a span of a few minutes you can see videos of the peaceful protests protesting stereotypes and racism and then a few seconds later you can see videos of looting and it will strike you that almost all looters are black. So, one group protests stereotyping and the group that is a supposed victim of all these injustices goes to that Target store and reinforces that stereotype.
    This situation makes blacks look even worse - peacefully protesting crowd is very diverse, but the looting crowd is almost exclusively black. These events will be fresh in our memories and what do you think moderates will remember at the voting booth?
     
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    We are upset about it.

    Cops abuse power all the time. It's not just a race issue.

    The difference is we don't ransack target stores like Democrats do.

    Also, notice how Democrats feel about gun grabbing. They are itching to do it..
     
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    Trump tweets, everyone knows that.
    But his bark is a lot worse than his bite.
    He didn't hire that police chief and has no ability to directly influence that cop who killed Floyd. It’s all on mayor and police chief of Minneapolis.
     
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    These riots should be know as the "Democrat riots".
     
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    It may have something to do with the disturbing statistic that a whole lot of Republican voters are more sympathetic to the police, than to the man the police killed, on camera, for all the world to see.
     
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    People might be sympathetic to police in many cases, but who did the actual hiring and maintains the employment? I’d think one would blame local government for a bad cop, not some vague crowd that stays home and quietly supports Trump.
     
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    Sounds like Democrats are pro-riots
     
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    The idiot officials in Minnesota are blaming white supremacists and South American drug cartels for the thousands of African American rioters and looters. You can't get any dumber than this.
     
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    I read this article a few years back, in a scientific journal. It was centered around about how cops and prosecutors go bad. The article claimed that young, inexperienced police are rarely involved in corrupt acts. That the corruption sets in over time. While most police officers have full careers with no wrong doing, the ones who do go bad, tend to go bad after ten to twenty years on the force. It has a lot to do with the power of the job going to one’s head.

    Take a look at Rudy Giuliani. He began his career being a tough prosecutor who went after the mob. Yet by time he made been mayor of New York, he had slipped to the dark side. Eventually hooking up with Trump and getting caught up, front and center, in the scheme that got the president impeached and two of his associates arrested for funneling Russian money into Trump’s campaign.
     
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    It is not a matter of cops versus the man killed. It is cops versus most of the people the cops deal with. Given a choice between those two groups, lacking any other evidence to the contrary, I will pick the cops and be right more than 99% of the time. .
     
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    Ok, it was Biden's fault. True be told it is Lincoln's fault.
     
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    Simple minds need simple explanation, I guess.
    Gotta have a king to blame...
     

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