WTF...OMFG...Suddenly it all Changes when Your Own Ox is the one being Gored!

Haha! I think that when well-meaning Americans get together and talk and listen to each other, and if they can see past all of the Beltway/Major Media horse poop, problems can be solved.

 

Agan sir you will have to completely abandon the Rooseveltian new deal ideal and even then your chances of ever bringing it about so that effects the mega corps are slim to none. You'll just wind up eliminating start ups and venture capitalism. We are spending four trillion dollars a year, and that just at the federal level. You'll simply prevent people from becoming millionaires and limit opportunities for everyone.

 

Unless we follow the prescriptions of the left in which case we will become Venezuela only with more guns and violence.

 

Except in most states food and medicine are exempted from the sales tax. And please note in most flat tax plans the tax doeean't kick in until you make a certain amount of income. The Forbes plan for example exempted the first 30 k of earnings so if you made 30,001 you paid taxes on the one dollar.

 

Strawman. Actually the stance on illegals driving down wages and taking "low skilled jobs" has been brought up to the poor black community several times by republicans to get their support on protecting the border, not blaming poor blacks for being poor cause they were born into that situation. The "poor life choices" comes when they drop out of school at much higher rates, become pregnant early in life (teens), and not putting more emphasis on having two parent homes which causes major obstacles in succeeding in life.

No one ever said differently. There is a huge amount of poor whites, more than blacks, who complete this cycle generationally as well. The plight of the poor is the same for every race, and the right doesn't single into one demographic over the other like the left does.

Yes.

Tax breaks or one person earning more than another has never led to someone being poor.

No other economic system in the history of the world has raised more people out of poverty than free markets.

Did you not just agree with Ann Coulter that illegals drive down wages? Just because all the lowest skilled jobs are taken by illegals, doesn't mean the poorest Americans without skills or education will magically get the "livable wage jobs".

Again, a Tax cut for people who are working won't bring the poor who don't work out of poverty.

Tucker is a staunch advocate against illegal immigration, as why he was so lambasted 2 weeks ago for making remarks about illegals making the country "dumber and dirtier".

 

I though #2 was to get the full time job and #3 was to be married before having kids since having the spouse will drastically make it easier to support those kids in either day care or keeping them at home. But none the less, I fully agree.

 

I think that since the top 10% of taxpayers are already paying 70% of the total bill, that there is a great inequity and the tax bill should be divided equally for all.

I think the beer analogy says it well-

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this…


The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.


So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.


“Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.” Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.


The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?’


They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.


And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings)
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 ( 22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).


Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.


“I only got a dollar out of the $20,”declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,” but he got $10!”


“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a Dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!” “That’s true!!” shouted the seventh man.


“Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!”


“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!” The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.


The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!


And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, this is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction.


Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.


For those who understand, no explanation is needed.


For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible


If we divided our federal budget cost equally among our population- let's say just the cost of our military alone, would be $2,187 for every man woman and child. JUST the military budget- $8748 for a family of four. The vast majority of Americans are being carried by the productivity of the very people they blame for being successful.

Perhaps if all the businesses in the nation just shut down for a couple months and the owners took a vacation, just laid off their employees to do for themselves- the perception of the value of those businesses that support them would improve.
Unions have no problem doing the equivalent to businesses, it would seem equally just in the reverse.

The idea of having the golden goose for dinner has never been a wise one, but fools continue to promote it.

 

Could have gotten them out of order

Tired of seeing self-enriching Complex liars conflating issues which are 99% choice and behavior with some static, permanent, inescapable condition of poverty when our society hands the material for the right choices out free on a silver platter.

 

Lefty be like: How can I make this RACIST!?

 

Good post.
I would also like to reform Medicare to limit the fraud opportunities and waste and be flexible about creating a true national health care system.

 

When I left my parents home 6 days after graduating high school, I had nothing. No drug addiction, no criminal record, no car, no clothes, just my high school education and a job. Only 15+ years later, I am living in the "rich" part of my town, supporting 6 other people(wife and kids) in my home, on my own paycheck all because I have had a full time job for all but 2 months of my adult life.

 

It has always been difficult for me to be a capitalist and a liberal at the same time. But you seem to have figured it out for me - bravo! The ONLY disagreement you and I would have is on corporate taxes. I believe that even those locally producing corporations should pay taxes...if individuals have to, corporations should too. Those taxes would go a long way toward the 'national healthcare' payment (should it come to be...) But the rate would go up significantly for the foreign producing corps.

 

May I offer my applause, and congratulations!

Now- how can we turn that level of personal responsibility into a social wave?
Believe me, I've tried. Haven't found an answer yet.

 

"This is NOT a partisan issue."

Haahahahahaaa!

Won't keep you from trying to make it one., though.

 

I hadn't heard of the term 'rent seeking'. I had to look it up.

I don't see any resemblance with your usage and the definition that I found.

'"Rent-seeking is an individual's or entity's use of company, organizational or individual resources to obtain economic gain without reciprocating any benefits to society through wealth creation."

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rentseeking.asp

 

The GOP giving tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations without them reciprocating by providing jobs and/or other benefits to our society fits the definition of rent-seeking.

 

dont know what you're spouting on about, there was 'trailer park trash' whities long before ghetto darkies and their numbers have grown...

leftie/dems always tries to inflect race into every thing, it's gotten to the point that it's an affliction afforded to a mental disorder

 

Did you even bother to go and read the source link?

 

Do you think every rich person and corporation is republican affiliated?

 

Do you understand the harm that the GOP has done to our nation with their rent-seeking malfeasance?

 

I think everyone (excepting the people committing the fraud) would be open to stopping Medicare fraud. I found this interesting. About 5 minutes to read, gives a quick overview of enforcement efforts ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_fraud

A national health care system is a huge topic with huge implications and a lot of unanswered questions. This is why, if the country were to move in that direction, I think it should be in small steps, like closing the gaps in present-day Medicare coverage and taking the insurance companies out of the Medicare business completely. Let's see how that goes and what it costs and if it saves money while providing high quality health care. Let's fully fund that program for seniors with our actual, real money - no deficit spending, no additional funding from general tax revenues, funding only from dedicated Medicare taxes. This is what I mean by a small step. If we are not willing to take a small step, a debate over a giant leap is a waste of time.

 

How so?

 

That "rent-seeking" is a product of capitalism generally is such a gross distortion as to rise to a lie of omission of the true meaning of the term in economics and generally in history. Good on us all for not falling for it. It is, as pointed out above, another collectivist weasel-term premised on conflation of the modern conception of "rent" with the ancient conception of "rent" that the term/notion actually derives from. It is a near impossibility for any free exchange for value today that doesn't involve government action, including paying modern rent to a modern landlord, to be described as "rent seeking."

The reason collectivists misuse it is in an attempt to turn a pejorative term originated to describe illicit GOVERNMENT transactions into a distortion as against VOLUNTARY transactions. They also do it for semantic slanting reasons. What they describe as "rent seeking" in voluntary transactions is actually "profit seeking," one of the foundational principles of our economic system. By falsely characterizing it as "rent seeking" where they can, they just add pejorative layering semantically in the way they and their dishonest, self-serving propaganda are and have always been known for.

Rent-seeking etymology derives from the practice of a king employing "publicans," "sheriffs" or the like to go out into the countryside and squeeze tenants for "rent" which can be anything, gold, livestock, crops, etc.These hired guns get to keep part of the stuff they collect. The process creates nothing new, so no new wealth, just extracts more efficiently. The primary distinction between then and now is that then, EVERYONE was a tenant INVOLUNTARILY, so rent-seeking necessarily involves a FIAT or command, not a voluntary transaction.

A characteristic and apt example of modern rent seeking is government through its agency, the IRS, forcing employers to involuntarily collect income taxes via the withholding system. More taxes are collected despite no wealth being created, and at the taxpayers' and employers' expense. THAT is true "rent seeking."

In general, any transaction that parties enter into voluntarily outside the fiat/command of government is NOT "rent-seeking" despite the transparent, puerile distortions of purposeful Complex-collectivist LIARS.

 

I find it bizarre to contend that siphoning less money from productive citizens is akin to affording them unproductive income, as the OP claims.

Here:

 

Yep, it's bizarre, but consider the sources and the things they claim here day in and day out. A government's reducing taxes can never be "rent-seeking" whether one agrees with the specific policy in question or not.

The whole of Leftism is an intellectual and semantic black hole, they aren't even sincere collectivists any more, just fiat capitalists utilizing the language and social destabilization tools of collectivism in seeking the fulfillment of their capitalist desires at the end of a government gun barrel. Thankfully the net is dragging all their many self-enriching vampires out of the crypt and into the sun. Will it be fast enough? Stay tuned.