WTF...OMFG...Suddenly it all Changes when Your Own Ox is the one being Gored!

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so coulter says "and to blame the fact that working-class wages have stalled, if not fallen, in the last 20 years"

    guess she is admitting the tax cuts for the corps did not get them to bring the jobs back home, corps are greedy and still want that cheap labor - no trickle down to be seen from the Trump tax cuts per Coulter :(
     
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    Please explain. I think we're not on the same page.
     
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    And...?
    Please understand I'm not arguing any political party platform.
     
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    Seth, I'm not really arguing for any particular tax policy. Someone had made the comment that corporations were a type of collective and they benefited everyone. My response is that at a certain level corporations don't resemble any kind of collective unless the term is limited to those at the very top.

    But as far as the idea of fairness, I just wanted to make the point that when we're limiting our perspective to a simple percentage of income, we're ignoring a whole other part of all this--The amount of income you bring in, vs. the cost of getting by. In that sense, I don't really have any sympathy for the guy who only had $1.6 million to get by on. Not when I consider that many of those at the lower end of the income scale have nothing to set aside for savings or investment after the bills are paid.
     
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    Something we haven't really touched on here--overdoes deaths...
    Do you think there is any kind of connection between the drug epidemic and the economy?

    I tend to see things in more of a philosophical way, so if we consider the income gap as a something younger people look at as hopelessness, does that translate into increased drug usage? I'm waxing a bit Nietzsche here.
     
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    Large corporations are, in essence, these days, little more than an adjunct part of the bureaucracy. The little guys are not.
     
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    According to this <Mod Edit> logic of "free markets don't create jobs" we would literally have more unemployed people than employed people <Rule 2/3> If no jobs were created than no one born after 1776 would be employed.

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    Dude it hasn't been a full year yet, and the dems just took back the house so they may not ever bring jobs back here. How,ever the purpose of the tax cuts was not to help out the mega corp most of whom weren't paying any taxes to begin it was to help out the mom and pops pass throughs, and thousands of other small businesses who were getting hosed and who do 80% of the job creating.
     
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    Trump has been President for 2 years, gave the corps a HUGE tax cut and they are still shippng jobs overseas in record numbers under Trump.... Sad!

    no, the tax cuts were for mega corps, dems would of supported just a small business and middle class tax cut
     
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    Generally speaking, regardless of race, gender or religion, those who study hard, have and willingness to learn and work hard tend to get ahead in life. Those who don't, don't. There are always exceptions, that's why I said generally.
     
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    No one's thoughts are relevant; the People have no power.

    All will be as the oligarchy wishes, as ever.

    Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
     
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    You can't cut taxes for people who aren't paying any to begin with. That's just it. Most of the meg corps are written into the tax code to such an extent that some one has to screw up badly for them to pay more than a pittance. Most mega corps, don't do much more than replace attrition on the hiring front. it is small business trying to expand and become middle size mom & pops trying to become small and pass throughs trying to become mom and pops where the hiring gets done in this country.
     
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    There is a connection between poverty and drug usage that is different to the one between the affluent and drug usage.

    In the case of the latter it is something that they can afford to indulge themselves in without it having any measurable impact on their ability to pay their bills and function in society.

    Drug usage amongst the poor is more a means to escape the harsh reality of their lives. For those who get into dealing it is way to make money since the options for that kind of income are few and far between in their areas. For those who are users they are oftentimes victimized into drug addiction by being offered free drugs by their dealers. Their continued use is more a matter of desperation since they have little else and virtually nothing to lose.
     
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    Your point is taken but it does not address the content of the OP itself.

    The problem being that people are falling into poverty because of a LACK of jobs that would otherwise exist except for the fact that Profits before People malfeasance dogma has ensured that there are no jobs for them.
     
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    Furthermore those massive taxcuts were funneled directly into enriching the wealthy because those funds enabled corporations to buy back their own stock in order to drive up the prices.
     
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    there the right goes again saying they can't cut taxes for the middle class - sad

    and yes, the middle class pays taxes, not sure what your talking about, maybe you meant the poor, the ones not paid enough to pay a tax, the ones not earning a living wage, we need to raise the min wage - but of course that would benefit the working class, so the right would be against that

    just read your response, this is what I said the left wants... "small business and middle class tax cut" and you said we can't give a tax cut to them cause they do not pay any taxes

    so Trump gives a huge Trillion+ dollar tax cuts to people you claim "Most of the meg corps are written into the tax code to such an extent that some one has to screw up badly for them to pay more than a pittance"
     
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    There the left goes again speaking in ignorance. If the megas weren't paying anything before how could they pay less now? And that's what happened the middle did get a tax cut. What you want the government to pay people to be middle class?
     
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    You don't need economics class to understand why both the republicans and democrats want open borders. Cheap labor. Politicians don't work for us, they work for people like jeff bezos. Its' not rocket science
    YOU ARE'T GETTING YOUR WALL. case closed
    Amazon didn't pay a dime of federal taxes last year and got $1.2 billion in subsidies and a potential work force of millions of chinzy wage earners.
     
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    What does any of that have to do with the OP?

    Or was it just a matter of cheerleading the disinformation twaddle that has already been debunked as utterly fallacious?
     
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    ASk the cheap laborer making less than $10,000 if he got a tax cut. He wasn't paying taxes before. He's paying 10% now, and since the they are busy drafting legislation to cut back on SNAP benefits, these poor slaves will likely be hungry when they go to work.
     
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    Bezos is going to make his company automated for those low skilled jobs. Open borders wont help Jeff at all.
     
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    Are you the hall monitor today?
     
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    Where did you get that bad info?

    https://www.wkco.com/2017-vs-2018-federal-income-tax-brackets/
     
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    The Republican party is a fusion of social and economic conservatives. The working class won't be joining you progressives so long as you insist on letting men use the woman's room.
     
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    Bs.
     

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