Xi Jinping in Russia: China Will ‘Stand Guard over the World Order’

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2023/03/20/xi-jinping-russia-china-stand-guard-over-world-order/

So how do you feel about China helping out the “World Government” crowd. Since American is not fighting back to preserve our friendships with less democratic countries, is China a good fit? They have energetic leadership, a clear goal of reducing/eliminating rancor through effective and determined friendship.
Since the leader of the free world is a dirty thankless job, someone has to step up. We may have a friend waiting in the wings we never really got to know!

 

What does China-Russia relationship (two pariahs) have to do with any "World Government"?

Oh....Breitbart is at it again. Got it.

Its good China tries to persuade Russia, since we know for fact they won't listen to us.

 

I see apparent concern and anxiety being expressed by the MSM. It's almost as though they can see what's coming on the horizon, the end of the unipolar world since WWII.

The US has abused its position of leadership post WWII, and that model's days are numbered. What was a great government and culture in 1945 has become a cesspool of corruption and violence.

 

Communist China and Russia are, of course, the greatest sources of evil in the world. Both have repeatedly committed genocide and both are currently actively committing genocide as well as crimes against humanity.

 

Isn't this what democrats have been mouthing about for a couple decades? World government??

 

So we should atone for our sins by letting the kindly and softhearted CCP takeover “world governance” and embrace us with their motherly embrace?

 

What takeover are you talking about? How do you get from them talking to Russia to "world governance"? Yes, we do not need to start a war to stop this meeting. They can meet as often as they want. They deserve each other. They teamed up to help Vietnam against us and they did the same in Korea, so this it nothing new.

Talk about "shaking in his boots mentality.

I dont know if the OP is a Dem (maybe), but obviously he believes in the "world government".

Correct, and they are old buddies.

 

I find it completely unsurprising that the Biden administration has done nothing to bring about a peaceful solution to this war and that it has ceded this role to the Chinese. *smh*

 

They are only allies of convenience right now as neither has any real friends. They have centuries of hatred towards each other. Also the CCP just last week ordered all map makers in China to replace Russian names in the Russian far east with Chinese names as they claim it is "a part of China since ancient times". With "friends" like that...

 

Well, that is a low I.Q. take. How exactly do you peacefully negotiate with an invader who is committing genocide and has openly said their goal is to annex and eliminate the population? There really is no peaceful solution to that and fighting is the only possible response.

Biden has been a crap show on most issues but supporting Ukraine with lend lease so it can fight to defeat the invaders who wish to eliminate them as a people has been the right response. To do anything less is cowards and violates all principles we hold dear.

 

Well, China's "leadership" does appear to be getting more popular - meat-packing dictatorships tend to be less demanding of their vassals:

The New Great Game: The U.S. and Europe are the new sick men of the world
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ope-are-the-new-sick-men-of-the-world.609214/

*cough*

That bit of unpleasantness out of the way, I was immensely amused by a few passages in the article you quoted.

For example, this crack from author John Hayward:

"Putin sang from China’s playbook about how Western notions of human rights and international good behavior are just a scam to keep the rising authoritarian powers of the world under control:"

LOL - I can see how that would be unpopular in Moscow and Beijing. The world needs to be a safe place for homicidal authoritarian powers.

But Vlad the Invader gets Top Prize for this howler:

"The architecture of international security and cooperation is being dismantled."

He would know. He just dismantled them in Ukraine.

 

I have been saying that Xi Jinping is selling the message that if autocratic countires lose their dictatorships to freedom, they will never get it back and their dynasties will disappear. That is why they are co opting the middle east oil countries. Russia is just a convenient idiot. All China wants is Siberia and its raw materials. Russia and China can cut a deal. If they dare.

 

You can't just throw in the towel ever time a bully thumps his chest. US and Allies are doing the right thing standing up to this guy. Reagan did the same.

 

Honestly, Comminist China doesn't seem to be long for this world. Peter Zeihan covered that topic pretty well.

 

China will take the thrown because the West is finally succumbing to a terrible disease, leftism. In a matter of 75 years the Western world has been destroyed from the inside. Meanwhile, for the last 50 years China has built itself up for this moment in history. The sad thing is the same parasites that caused this historic shift are benefiting from it.

 

Gentlemen,

I support the brave Ukrainians for fighting the Russians. I am in support of the weapons we have given them to help them. I watch YouTube videos daily, watching the Ukrainians destroy Russian hardware and soldiers, and I smile. So let's put to rest the accusation that I think the U.S., NATO countries, and the Ukrainians should just give up.

Now let's look at recent history, shall we?

In the lead-up to the Russian invasion, the Biden administration made zero attempt to meet with Putin, discuss, argue, negotiate, or haggle. There was no attempt to try to pound out some sort of peace agreement. The only thing this feckless administration offered was threats of sanctions. Threats, threats, and more threats.

Days before the invasion began, the Biden administration ordered all U.S. military personnel out of Ukraine, and it evacuated U.S. embassy personnel except for a skeleton crew. Further, it strongly advised all Americans to leave the country immediately, and it warned them that the U.S. would not be able to help them get out once the impending invasion began. Those Americans still in the country would be completely on their own, left to their own devices to flee or survive.

The Biden administration even offered to evacuate Zelensky from the country, an offer that he refused.

Clearly, unquestionably, the Biden administration had written off Ukraine. They believed the Russian invasion would quickly crush Ukrainian resistance, and Ukraine would once again become a Russian satellite country, probably in a matter of weeks. I'm sure they envisioned that Biden would sanction Russia, make angry speeches and condemnations, and sound really tough. I'm sure they calculated that they could turn this into a political plus for Biden. They probably also calculated that by 2024 this would be old history, and Americans would have turned their attentions to other things.

The Biden administration talked about sending blankets and medicine.

But there were a couple of things they hadn't counted on: (1) the resistance the Ukrainians would put up, and (2) the growth of sympathy for the Ukrainians as we all watched their leader fight back, we watched them fight bravely, and we watched Russian atrocities on TV. And slowly, haltingly, the Biden administration was forced to start helping the Ukrainians fight, thanks to public opinion. They weren't forced by principle. They weren't forced by bravery. And they weren't forced by their commitment to freedom. Their change of heart was forced by optics and the political winds, as it always is with this administration.

This is an administration that is never - and I mean never - proactive. This is a president who just lets things slide into crisis, and then he finally, belatedly, reacts to the crisis because public opinion forces him to. We have seen this over and over and over on various issues.

And let's take a look at what other presidents have done in the past, shall we? Nixon meeting with Mao, Nixon working out a nuclear agreement with Breshnev, Reagan meeting with Gorbachev in Iceland, Trump meeting with Kim Jong Un - all seeking peaceful solutions to problems, all seeking to reduce tensions, all willing to negotiate.

But this president we have now? Pffft! He just likes to talk tough for the cameras. But any substantive effort to seek peace? Forget it. This is simply not in his tool box. He doesn't have the energy or mental capacity in my opinion. As he gets older and older, he seems to become almost childlike, submissively following the orders of his appointed political masters in the White House.

Gentlemen, we don't really have a President. We have a figurehead. Our real President is a small group of unelected officials such as Mike Donilon, Biden's political advisor. These are people who are not motivated by principle or bravery or even much of a moral code. They are motivated by political optics, and they prove it every time Biden reads a speech they wrote for him.

And don't think for a second that the Chinese are not aware of all of this. They know this president. And what I see them doing is seizing this opportunity to steal away America's historic leadership and claim it for themselves. If I were the Chinese, I would see this as a doubly good opportunity. They can rescue their friend, Putin, from this terrible mistake he has made, and they can grab the mantle of world leader - the peacemaker. If I were the Chinese, I would want to pound out a permanent peace treaty between Ukraine and Russia, each gaining something. Ukraine would regain its sovereignty over all of its country. The Russians would leave. Russia's "victory" could be that Ukraine would agree in the treaty not to attempt to join NATO. There could be other lesser details settled. I would want to do this completely independently, without the U.S. as a party to the negotiations. What a public relations coup that would be for the Chinese!

So in my first post, I said, "I find it completely unsurprising that the Biden administration has done nothing to bring about a peaceful solution to this war and that it has ceded this role to the Chinese. *smh*", to which you both reacted.

I have now used a lot of words to explain that initial remark. I hope that now my point of view is more complete.

Seth

 

Yes. Its all about partisan resentment for you.

US made it clear they will talk if Russia shows interest in ending the hostilities, but Russia has made it crystal clear they have absolutely no interest in it. Reagan met with Gorbie, but only after he showed interest in finding an agreement and it was actually Gorbachev who set up the meeting.

 

It's not partisan resentment. I'm not a Republican even. It's just how I see it.

 

Well worth watching to understand that Russia and communist China are not really friends and simply natural enemies.



Russia just gets weaker and weaker, it's demographics are collapsing (as are communist Chinese demographics but China starts from a much higher level). They are both dying but Russia is declining far faster.

 

Ok. Well, its not for US to negotiate away Ukrainian lands, when Ukraine has made it clear they will not accept it and Russia has made clear they are staying put. China is offering Russia parts of Ukraine, but that's obviously going nowhere unless Ukraine wants to give up the lands, which they will not do.

 

No we should gradually reduce Chinese imports on a public plan that leads to zero within a couple of years. It makes no sense to enrich our enemies.

 

Hopefully Ukraine will stick to its guns. If it doesn't then Russia will turn on other former soviet countries. As for the U.S., we need to stop dragging this war on endlessly. We should get out or provide what is necessary to defeat the Russian invasion as quickly as possible. What we are doing now is supporting a horror for both sides.

 

There are concerns with China, but also mutual interests which is why we don't treat them as 'enemy' like we did the former USSR.

 

They are an enemy. That is why we should treat them as an enemy. They view us as an enemy and said so during this current visit to Russia. There are many other low wage countries with which we can share interest.

We should be moving our manufacturing from China to Central America. We can reduce two problems simultaneously.

 

And both are full of commies.