Yet another Musk overreach.

Please see my first post USAID Except it wasn't a Nazi salute. You see what you wish to see not what is.

 

But it's power is unchecked the only think he has undone including USAID are previous EO's

 

Hmm... No. Try again.

 

Not one word of a single crime committed. Are there people I consider overpaid? Of course but Congress approves the top folks so not illegal as Musk claims.

 

Are you moving a goal post here? Who said anything about crimes yet? Paying the Taliban does seem to be in a very grey area. Sending aid funding directly to Hamas seems to be challenging the laws.

 

Created by an EO so can be ended by same.

 

And I have shown that they are indeed a part of the Executive Branch. In the very same post which you cut down to just a few words. Stop spreading disinformation purposefully.

Prove Musk hacked into anything. Much less Treasury databases.

 

Elon Musk and DOGE are hacking the government
Elon Musk has moved with lightning speed to try to remake the federal government. Many Democrats and even some Republicans say his efforts are unlawful.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-doge-usaid-treasury-government-rcna190450
In the shorthand of the tech industry, Elon Musk has hacked into the government.

The billionaire tech magnate has never been elected to office or been confirmed by the Senate for a high-level government job, but in the span of a few days, Musk has still gained access to sensitive federal data through his position as head of President Donald Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency project, or DOGE, to push a far-reaching agenda and potentially spark a constitutional crisis.

Musk has embraced Silicon Valley’s most notorious instincts to “move fast and break things” in a lightning battle to muscle into the computer systems and power structures of federal agencies. As he did with his corporate takeover of Twitter in 2022, he has brought in a team to assess details such as office building leases, budget line items, vendor contracts and the performance of individual employees — with the stated intention of radically downsizing the organization.
With a cadre of engineers as young as 19 years old, and with the encouragement of Trump, Musk has demanded and been given access to sensitive government databases and the Treasury Department’s payment system with an unprecedented series of bureaucratic maneuvers.

 

Musk in charge of DOGE has giant conflict-of-interest red flags flying everywhere. He’s a dangerous man and should not be trusted with such sensitive information.

I’m in favor of the initiative, just not the guy in charge of it. So dangerous.

 

Wow...using a picture that was taken of an orphanage in Nigeria in the 1960's (an orphanage that might not even exist anymore for all you know) to further your political goals. Let me guess...did a search of the internet of starving children and used the first pic that showed up?

 

Your own source proves you wrong. Did you even read it beyond the title "hacking"?

 

On what right he was demanding to get access to most sensitive data? His young staff - are they schooled an tested?

 

Unprecedented series of bureaucratic maneuvers = Hacking.

When you use backdoor methods to gain access to systems you are not supposed to have access to you are HACKING to get access.

 

You're not being ageist are you? As for being "schooled and tested"? Ask Musk.

 

If you think that then you have no clue what the word "hacking" means.

 

Um.....yea, I do actually. Hacking is the act of gaining unauthorized access to data. It does not have to involve breaking pass words etc, it can simply mean using backdoor methods, like manipulating people to grant access, which seems to be what Musk is doing. Since he is not supposed to have access to that kind of data, and yet was able to gain access using back-door methods he HACKED his way to the data.

I get it you feel compelled to defend everything these people do, but as I said, most other people doing this would be in jail.

 

While I agree that what Musk is doing is unprecedented, I find it hard to believe that the president isn’t allowed to see all the information that Musk now has access to.

Since Trump can see it, he has the right to give that data to anyone he wants.

I’m not sure hacking is the right word.

Unless I’m completely wrong and there are things the executive branch does that the president has no right to know about. <— this can’t be true.

 

Sorry, but Trump gave him access. That means he has purposefully authorized access, it also means that he IS supposed to have access. Being that Trump is President of the US and has the legal authority to grant access to anyone to any part of the Executive Branch....your claim is nothing more than partisan propaganda. You just not liking that he has access does not mean he has done anything illegal or has "hacked" into anything. Now, you can state it as an opinion if you like. But you have no claim to facts.

 

President Donald Trump’s era of retribution has begun. A wave of legal resistance is next.

With a blinding speed that has left adversaries virtually paralyzed, Trump allies are purging the Justice Department and FBI of perceived enemies. Elon Musk, empowered by Trump, has deployed a band of loyalists to take over the federal spending apparatus managed by the U.S. Treasury. Trump’s temporary pick to lead federal prosecutions in Washington says anyone who resists Musk’s efforts could be breaking “numerous laws.”
All eyes are now on federal courts, where challenges to these decisions are slowly starting to take shape. Two judges have already blocked the White House from implementing its across-the-board spending freeze. And lawsuits in federal courts are potentially the last vanguard for those hoping to stop Trump’s efforts to remake the federal government.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/04/trump-government-retribution-legal-battles-011469

Viva la resistance.

 

To be fair there IS one agency in which I don't believe Trump can give access too to just anyone. And that is the IRS. But that is only because Congress used explicit wording to prevent access to information contained by them. AFAIK even the President would need a warrant to search their database. They have not used any such wording for any of the other agencies AFAIK. But even on this, don't quote me exactly. I just know that Congress used explicit wording to safeguard the information that they contain. I don't actually know if the President could bypass it in the way that he has allowed Musk to gain information from the Treasury.

Edit to add: in some respects I think that wording is actually hurting us. The IRS is in a position to know far easier when fraud happens. Especially where it concerns stolen identities. SSN's being used in more than one location in different states for example or when a childs SSN is being used. Things like that. Unfortunately the IRS is forbidden from disclosing such information, even to the person its affecting. A person who thinks that they've had their identity stolen can access that information but they have to go through a LOT of red tape to get their file first. And police agencies definitely have to have a warrant.

 

So I just asked ChatGPT and apparently there are several instances where the president isn’t allowed access.

One example is CIA or NSA is allowed to withhold information from the president. This means that people who report to Trump are required to withhold information from their boss.

Isn’t that odd?

And if that’s the case, then yes, Elon shouldn’t be in the IRS database, which, according to ChatGPT, the president has no right to. (Which, I find very odd indeed.)


I wonder what will happen when a secretary or director of an agency tells Trump he has no right to information in his administration.

This presidency is going to be all about the SCOTUS challenges.

 

CIA or NSA? Really? Yeah...I find that hard to believe. Not doubting what you said mind you. But those are major agencies that have direct bearing on National Security. Something a President MUST have access to in order to fulfill their duties as outlined in the Constitution.

One thing you said is for sure though. There are definitely going to be a LOT of SCOTUS challenges. 100%.

Edit: Another thought...that gives those agencies more power than any other branch of Government if true....

 

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Still using pics to push your political goals no matter what phrasing you use. Why aren't you out there helping those children instead of being on your computer posting on a forum? If they're such a concern for you that is.....

 

Read the article to learn how he got access.

If Musk was officially part of the Executive Branch, then he would be subject to the same scrutiny as other members, but of course he is NOT part of it, and he is not supposed to have access to US taxpayer / Treasury information. He back-doored his way into having access. If Trump indeed granted him access, then that should certainly be looked into, because it's a scary thought that is is granting access to outsiders.

You really think so? I don't agree he can give it to anyone he wants, but that's the case, lot of his friends will be getting VERY rich using the information he shares. As for Musk, he is not a government official, and therefore not bound by the same rules and restriction officials are, so he can use the Treasury info any way he wants.