Yet another Musk overreach.

That doesn't change the fact that USAID was ultimately established by Congress and therefore Elon Musk's blockage of funds appropriated for it is illegal.

 

The government does not should not and cannot make policy based on personal anecdote.

 

This clearly makes the list for the asinine leader board.

 

In pressing GPT further, it does clarify that things are kept from the president as a matter of procedure, but, if pressed, there is no authority granted to any agency under the executive branch to keep that information from the president if he asks

In that regard, Musk can probably see whatever the president wants him to see.

 

Under Clinton it received a more independent status like that of the Peace Corps. What was done over the weekend clearly illegal and the House minority can press it, in court, if the majority fails to do their jobs.

 

You're the one claiming to be so pissed about Trump and Musk supposedly killing millions of children. :shrug: So if what you say is true, seems my post's competition has far outstripped my post already.

 

On this I actually agree. You should be telling @StillBlue this.

 

If Trump gave him access, then he is supposed to have access. Its as simple as that. And its factual.

And many Presidents have given out information to "outsiders". Its their prerogative. Or does the word "outsiders" only apply to those that you disapprove of?

 

Who I said I disapprove of Musk? I disapprove of what is happening with him and his teen-age employees handling my personal information, including my bank account info.

Should he have access to taxpayer / treasury payment database? Hell no. The guy is a dual citizen who has a long history of drug abuse and connections to foreign governments, including regular interactions with Russia. The fact that he hacked his way to treasury database is troubling, but to apologists there is no such thing as troubling.

Not only did he manage to acquire full access, he is also in control of the money flow. It's a total takeover by an outsider. They spent the weekend compiling and extracting “personal information of hundreds of millions of Americans, bank accounts and tax data, Social Security numbers and home addresses”. Some of the people handling the data are 19 yr old teen-agers with no clearance whatsoever.

 

And fwiw, isn't every persons or nations first duty to its own? We are 36 trillion dollars in debt, and have an obligation and responsibility to address that debt. It should also be said that the hungry and homeless have zero debt to meet. All that they acquire goes straight to their immediate needs, and are as free as the birds, to peck and philosophize at their leisure. At the same time, America isn't omnipotent, and our capacity is limited. As much as our compassion would urge us to be, we are not God. So to suggest that our unwillingness to go further into debt to prove our concern is somehow stingy after all that we have done, is beneath contempt, theivous of reason, and bread crumbs leading to despair. In short, it is wicked.

 

It’s indeed troubling, but since Trump has access to anything inside the Executive branch, I think he can give that access to anyone he wants. I went round and round on this with ChatGPT, who originally told me that there’s information the executive can’t see, but when pressed on it, it said that he can see anything he wants.

This will likely get settled in the court, but I’m trying to envision a scenario where someone working for Trump has higher clearance than Trump.

I like some of his objectives, but the way he goes about things is beyond disgusting.

 

I am not talking about Trump, I am talking about Musk and his teen-age employees who have full access to Treasury taxpayer personal info including bank account info, and it does not sound like Trump granted access, but rather that they found access on their own. Read up about it.

I am not cool with 19 yr old kids having full access to Treasury database. Everyone else has to be fully vetted before gaining access.

 

Then run for president and you can do it however YOU want.... Until then you are stuck with YOUR PRESIDENT Donald Trump.

 

You can have corruption without actual crimes. It is all about how the law is set up in foreign countries, the term Baksheesh comes to mind. And the idea goes back to biblical times and can be found mentioned indirectly in the works of some ancient Roman historian. Christ for instance tells soldiers to be satisfied with their pay. One Roman historian states of the covetous streak many Roman soldiers One who had shin bones does willingly try the patience of those who wear hobnails. There are more than a few places in the world today where in those sorts of rules are still in place. And they are not infrequently places

Your beliefs as stated above are a variance with objective reality.

 

No what they have access to is government expenditures.

 

The thing is, if Trump has an issue with any of this, he can revoke it. His silence would indicate he’s totally on board.

Like I said, it’s disgusting. We have no idea if Musk is compromised. We don’t know if he’ll sell all this sensitive information. We do know he gets billions from the US government, and if that isn’t the very definition of conflict-of-interest, I don’t know what qualifies.

I see red flags everywhere with this whole thing.

 

They have access to everything.

 

@Pro_Line_FL

"hacking the Treasury databases"

Where did you ever get that they were hacking anything?

 

Link please.... let's see what you are trying to pull here... show us where you got this picture... Your picture failed to show us children that have starved to death...

 

A 25-Year-Old With Elon Musk Ties Has Direct Access to the Federal Payment System
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-associate-bfs-federal-payment-system/

A 25-year-old engineer named Marko Elez, who previously worked for two Elon Musk companies, has direct access to Treasury Department systems responsible for nearly all payments made by the US government, three sources tell WIRED.

Two of those sources say that Elez’s privileges include the ability not just to read but to write code on two of the most sensitive systems in the US government: the Payment Automation Manager and Secure Payment System at the Bureau of the Fiscal Service (BFS). Housed on a top-secret mainframe, these systems control, on a granular level, government payments that in their totality amount to more than a fifth of the US economy.

I consider this unverified info until another source confirms it. If the story is true.........somebody needs to be fired.

 

Wait till the FCC comes after NBC's broadcasting license for being an unregistered campaign contribution....

 

Hmm... Appropriated funds are at the discretion of the executive function to spend. By halting the payments out, the executive have simply not spent the money, which can, or may then be reappropriated. I know, the BS you read on the internet didn't explain that part to you.

 

If that were true the GAO would not have pointed out trump broke the law when he withheld funds appropriated to aid Ukraine. The kind of abuse of power, along with extorting Zelensky, that can get a prez impeached.

https://rollcall.com/2020/01/16/gao-trumps-ukraine-aid-pause-violated-budget-law/

 

What's up with you guys and your burning desire to see Ukrainians die for your lust?

 

They are engaged in auditing the books so.