Yulia Skripal is recovering

Can't comment I'm afraid. It's been verbotten.

 

The days when disgraced politicians resigned has long passed. It would take a very, very strong corruption charge these days for it even to be considered.

BoJo knows he can say whatever he wants (if you check the form of words he uses it is very crafty anyway and legally does not implicate him) and he'll be supported by the shadowy ones of the British state.

But this Novichok affair speaks of something deeper still, imo. Is it a last gasp attempt to save the UK from being consigned to become a very minor player on the world stage, now that the Yanks are going their own way? Possibly. Was the affair concocted to get Theresa May out of the doldrums? If so, the poorly contrived narrative is falling apart and therefore backfiring fast. Was it to pressure the major EU states to boycott the World Cup? Dismal failure if so. Or could've it have been a ploy to engender support against Russia for what is happening in Syria? Possibly, and if so it has had some success - but only from the usual suspects anyway.

Overall it's proving to be a disaster because it has been so clumsy, amateurish and poorly thought through. It sounds to me very much like a Christopher Stelle and mates ****-up. The new twist of a Russian assassination manual (that no one will ever properly see) that we now understand was the "evidence" used to convince the EU smacks of desperation. Imo.

 

I think the idiot is barely articulate, with his stuttering 'Whaaa-whaaas', and groping around for a smart-ass word or phrase but fails to find one, then after more rhetorical stumbling around, uses a gauche one instead. His weakness is this - the more someone talks, the more is the chance they'll come out with some crap now and again, and he got that characteristic in spades.

 

I don't think so - I think it's a ploy to get a second Brexit referendum, but with a Remain vote this time.

 

Yes, could be that too...

 

Russians the creepiest ****ing stalkers on the planet. Tried to kill them now asking to see them, like giving an attempted murderer access to a victim
I also think Britain deserves a standing ovation for the successful treatment of the Skripals

Yulia Skripal leaves hospital after poison attack; Russia demands to know whereabouts

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/wo...a-demands-to-know-whereabouts-20180410-h0ylqi

 

Yulia Skripal is clearly under duress, according to Craig Murray

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/yulia-skripal-is-plainly-under-duress/

 

Nothing happens in politics in isolation.

I think it is increasingly likely that the entire Skripal affair was either designed or coopted to a) deflect away from Theresa May's increasing unpopularity in the UK - a foreign adventure - b) used to create public acceptance / conditions for the now proposed US strike on Syria - possibly with the UK and French assistance - and c) to undermine Putin at the polls - which was a failure.

More likely it was a combination or confluence of all three and perhaps more.

 

Absolutely spot on - and personally I don't believe it even happened. And to think I had such great expectations for her after the loser Cameron ****ed up big time. But when I think of the appalling consequences we're seeing of the mass migrations, which are ongoing, and all the deaths by drowning in the Mediterranean when the dinghies sank, none of that would have come about if only he'd supported Assad against the disparate jihadist groups. He wasn't a politician - not even a career politician - he was playing politics to pass his time and earn some big bucks.

 

You do write a load of rubbish, so it’s a British attempt to kill them after eight years of being granted asylum in the UK. I can assure you that if this was remotely true we wouldn’t have botched the job, or put one of our own policeman in danger of his life too.
There is an antidote for nerve agents but time is the ruling factor. The problem is the amount of the agent the victims are exposed too and keeping them alive before the antidote begins to work. Skripal was infected more far than his daughter so his recovery will obviously take longer.

I know that conjecture is a popular pastime for some but no amount of times anyone tells you that mermaids are for real, or the earth is flat and the holocaust never happened etc the only response it will get from sane people is a belly laugh.

 

I'm sure SH will respond to that nonsense himself in his own time, but in the meantime . . . we didn't, it was staged.

 

A highly emotional reply, that lacks any sort of meaningful analysis.

I'm not the least bit surprised that you've leapt to a prized conclusion - and from there it's been downhill all the way.

At no point did I say that the British government tried to kill the Skripal's. This is your interpretation. But it's a possibility that cannot be ruled out, given the circumstances. And you're sense of the infallibility of the British James Bond class of assassin is charming but also laughably jingoistic.

Anyway, my sense is that the Brits did not 'dunnit'. Members of the London Russian exile community seems more likely. But I wouldn't put it past the piss dossier originator, Christopher Steele, and Orbis, given that Skripal was still in contact with Steele's henchman Miller, who also lives in Salisbury.

To arrive at your preferred conspiracy theory you have wilfully ignored the caveats in my post. "Coopted" for example. As in, for example (another caveat) the Skripal's were targeted by as yet unknown players and the event was co-opted for geopolitical purposes. One of Sergie Skripal's UK friend's, also a Russian exile, spoke about this weeks ago in a video interview I posted on one of the numerous Salisbury threads.

However, I accept that the complexities are very difficult and disparate may well be too much for most people to follow. Especially those who without question believe what politicians and newspapers tell them. Nothing easy to do than gull people, is there.

There is no known antidote to Novichok. Every expert acknowledges this.

Military grade Novichok kills in seconds at worst and minutes at most. Neither of the Skripals would have survived. Ergo, it was not military grade, and actually unlikely to have been Novichok at all. There is no way in the world that both could have touched the doorknob, driven to the cemetery to spend time with their deceased family, gone to the pub for a pint, then enjoy a slap-up meal in a restaurant, suddenly falling unconscious 4 hours after contact. It's a fairy tale.

The government has used carefully worded formulations to create their preferred "Russian" spin for this story. "Of a type developed by Russia", and "a Novichok family" etc. The "family" this refers to are organophosphates, which includes Sarin, Tabun and, in fact, also commercial insecticides etc.

Conjecture and deduction have a well deserved place in any discussion forum. And since the facts about this incident are more sparse than cheese in a church mouse's pantry, conjecture is the only sensible thing to do.

 

Here are the REAL facts....none of that lying propaganda from Russia and its trolls!

OPCW rejects Russian claims of second Salisbury nerve agent
Canadian envoy to chemical weapons watchdog condemns ‘craven attempt to mislead international community’

Senior figures from the global chemical weapons watchdog have flatly rejected Russian claims that the watchdog’s laboratories had found a western military chemical agent in the poison that incapacitated the Russian double agent Sergei Skripal.

In a weekend claim widely picked up on social media, the Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, said that a Swiss laboratory used by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons had discovered traces in the sample of the nerve agent BZ and its precursors. The nerve agent is possessed by Nato countries, but not Russia.

The Russian embassy in London said it was “highly likely” that BZ had therefore been used in Salisbury, adding that the OPCW and the British had questions to answer.

But at a meeting of the OPCW executive in The Hague, the Russian claim was refuted by OPCW officials, who said explained that BZ had been used in the control sample, not the sample itself. It is also a breach of OPCW procedures to identify a laboratory involved in a test.

The UK said Russia had been caught out in an attempt to mislead the international community, adding the OPCW report showed the world was facing “a clear case of a new family of toxic chemicals intended to kill”.

The west also bluntly criticised Russia for generally endangering the integrity and respect for OPCW scientists in a bid to clear itself of the allegation that it was behind the use of a nerve agent that poisoned Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, in Salisbury last month.

The Swiss delegation described Lavrov’s behaviour as incomprehensible and totally unacceptable. Sabine Nölke, the Canadian envoy to the OPCW, accused Russia of either “a craven attempt to mislead the international community”, or a breach of the OPCW’s confidentiality procedures. The EU described the Russian behaviour as malign.
ctd https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ussian-claims-of-second-salisbury-nerve-agent

 

And yet the three people allegedly targeted by a military grade of the deadliest nerve agent in the world - that has no known antidote - that kills in seconds or minutes at most -- all climb out of their supposed death beds and fully recover with zero lasting effects.

So, whatever the actual truth eventually turns out to be, once all the ballyhoo dies down, we can be certain that it wasn't Novichok, irrespective of what the OPCW report says.

And we also now know that any number of nations and other players actually do have the ability to produce Novichok/A234, and that Theresa May's claim that it had to be Russian (using the artful word formulation "of a type developed by Russia") is, therefore a pure and artful lie.

 

It's a European outfit, dummy - they would find against Russia. Jeezus effing wept!

 

I feel it in me water that there's a trace of back-pedalling on the Salisbury lie by May, not least by her bigging up the disgusting discrimination in the Windrush scandal, even though all the apologizing and hand-wringing demeans her because of headlines like this . . .

"With Windrush, Theresa May mistook a national treasure for an easy target".

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/20/theresa-may-windrush-equality

The mistake is that instead of letting the Salisbury thing slowly fade away, she announces an 8-month 'decontamination' ( ) of the city, including the incineration of hundreds of . . . paving slabs? Why do paving slabs need incinerating, and how do you incinerate one? at a cost of millions of pounds. In fact, reading between the lines of a BBC reporter's piece last night, 'the residents of Salisbury are demanding to know how much longer this is going to go on for?' it looks like the story itself is falling apart by the day. Who will rid us of these incompetent nincompoops?

 

Yes, those pesky paving slab Novichok-cum-Russian deadly IED's must be destroyed to avoid peril. Albeit over a month later.

It's all to keep the propaganda pot bubbling and nothing more than that.

 

I know one thing, SH, and that's if ever this somehow gets exposed as being either a) government overreaction, or b) some kind of anti-Russia stunt gone wrong, the red faces aren't just going to be on the government front bench, and quite a few on both of the back benches too, to judge by the hysterical responses to the incident, the entire UK Fourth Estate, the great and the good of the judiciary and the Upper House, will lose all credibility, along with May, and international humiliation for the rest of us. There are simply too many aspects of this Salisbury thing that don't add up, so all of that might actually happen. I never did get a reply from my MP by the way (why didn't Putin approve Skripal's application for repatriation and poison him in Moscow?) - although you've probably guessed that?

 

Yes, but at what cost to the Brit taxpayers? It was reported to be £1billion so far on the BBC news last night, so I think we can assume £2billion, and as I've said in another post, there's still another 8 months of it; but don't ask me 'of what'!! Wrapping stuff up and carting it away I suppose -

 

I'm with you Cerb. Our body politic has become an utter disgrace and peopled by greedy bastards. The Fourth Estate is history in terms of journalism. Today, they are simply stenographers for the government position.

 

Actually, how much of Salisbury can there be left to wrap and and cart away?