Zero casualties in Iranian missile strikes?

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    pre-emtive nuking by the USA would green light other countries to do the same with nukes, nukes is a last resort, not a first response

    we would basically be sending a message to Russia saying... nuke whoever you want too
     
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    Really. You afraid of fleas? Buy a smoke bomb.
     
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    War was never going to happen. Any talk of war was just the usual anti-Trump hysterics and leftist pearl-clutching drama.
     
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    President Trump's red line was killing a US Citizen. They did this during the rocket attack on the Green Zone that Killed one US Contractor. President Trump staged air attack taking out members of the terrorist group that had staged the attack. Iran retaliated that attack by staging a riot outside the US Embassy in Baghdad. They went so far as to take over the embassy. The US then took out the Iranian Quad Leader with a very precision airstrike. Now, Iran saw what happened when they crossed Trump's red line. So, they staged an attack that would be been seen as a show of force for the Iranian population, but would not cross Trump's red line again.

    President Trump is talking about a new round of sanctions. This one has the Iranian leadership really scared. That is freezing their oil revenues in US Banks. That would devastate an already failing economy. That with the ongoing protests, and Iran will be running to the negotiation table.

    So, Iran crossed the red line, and the US hurt them bad. Now, Iran has shown that they will not make that mistake again.
     
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    nukes are fleas to you?
     
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    Mullahs and tyrants—after Ayn Rand, your days are numbered, big time.
     
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    Nah, China, North Korea, Pakistan, and Russia are. They couldn’t blow up a egg with a stick of TNT. They couldn’t shatter a glass figurine with a jack-hammer. They couldn’t evaporate a raindrop with a blow-torch. What’s to worry?
     
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    sure, russia has nukes and if the US used our nuke willy nilly, they would be able to as well, be hard for us to say anything back to them about it as we had done the same
     
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    The nukes will blow up in their faces. Russia? Come on, be real—at least a little bit. The last time Russia impressed anybody is when Ford taught them how to built tanks in WWW II.


    Russia couldn’t but a square inside a bigger square—they’d try diagonally and end up in Knockturn Alley instead of Diagon Ally.
     
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    WTF happen to WW III? Nothing. It was just the hysterical Left behaving hysterically—Iran couldn’t beat an infant at chess, let alone the West in a war.

    Iran and WW III hysteria.


    It’s a lot like their hysteria over climate change, insanity masquerading as truth.
     
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    thankfully Trump backed down and did not respond to Iran crossing his red line

    and no one said ww iii, but we did not want another 10+ year war with Iran

    I do not think Trump did either, he had no idea who the person he was taking out was I am guessing
     
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    Obviously you must not watch, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, PBS News, or listen to NPR, or FOX News, USA Today



    Even a Republican “me too”:
     
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    Worry about a rat like Iran?

    Hell, eagles eat rats.
     
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    Trump red line was bombing any American assets, Trump caved on his red line like Obama did

    both Trump and Iran surprised me though, I did not think Trump would back down and did not think Iran would either - glad both did though
     
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    You do not know what Trumps red line is and I doubt you know anything about Iran. But do not let that stop you from taking a wild guess though.
     
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    Lets say Trump's "red line" has evolved:)

    Last year, the 'red line' (based on explicit threats by the US government when it first sent the USS Abraham Lincoln to the "region") were any attacks against US interest or those of US allies. Iran was promised a "devastating" response if that were to happen.

    Well, lets just say after numerous incidents (attacks on oil tankers, Aramco attack, the shooting down of the US Global Hawk drone, as well as the seizure of the British oil tanker), for a while the "Trump doctrine" was adjusted to any attacks which cause US injuries or death.

    Then you had Trump again issue a threat against Iran if it attacked any US forces or "assets". Once again, with the US claiming zero casualties (not credible, even if any casualties would have been modest in number and would probably have involved non-life threatening injuries), we are back at the same "red line".

    We will see how this red-line holds in the future? Obviously, if any attacks attributable to Iran cause substantial casualties, Trump will almost be forced to take action. And, for that reason, I doubt Iran will want to take any action that would cause substantial US casualties absent a war. That would, in any case, not serve any real interests of Iran, which is to simply create a situation where the continued US presence in Iraq (in particular) and the wider region (in general) becomes untenable without a war being directly fought between the two sides. However, the idea that the US will gets its way with Iran with threats is not realistic. We have entered a situation where the 40 year proxy war between Iran and the US has become a bit more direct and a more out in the open, and that does increase the risk of an all out of war which neither side wants, but ultimately the contours and theater of fighting between the two sides remains as before. Neither side wants an all out war if that can be avoided, even if neither side wants to back down.

    In the meantime, while Iran has made evicting the US out of Iraq and the region the litmus test of who has won this war, Trump is trying to re-write the narrative and make it sound like the US has won if Iran doesn't produce nukes. A strange position given that tearing up the JCPOA (a bad deal for Iran) has, if anything, made even the latter (Iran producing nukes) a lot more likely down the road, and even more strange since (for now at least) it goes against Iranian law and the directive of Iran's highest authority, Iran's Supreme Leader, for Iran to develop nukes, but this seems to be Trump's way of declaring victory no matter comes from his 'maximum pressure campaign' and the assortment of things he is doing at the behest of the 'war party' without actually going to war with Iran.
     
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    Questions: Did Osama Bin Laden actually pose an "Imminent Threat" at the time that the US took him out? How about US Citizen Anwar Al-Awlaki at the time of his being taken out? How about the total of 563 total covert strikes staged by the Obama Administration?

    My Answers: It does not matter. It does not matter. It does not matter.

    Did Qasem Soleimani pose an imminent threat when President Trump took him out? Possible, but it does not matter. There was a rocket attack on the Green Zone that killed a US Contractor by a terrorist Group funded and controlled by the Iranian Government. Then came the US retaliatory strike against that terrorist group compound. Followed up by the Iranian led riot in front of the US Embassy in Baghdad that took over the Embassy. Then Soleimani shows up unannounced at the Baghdad Airport. He is not meeting with anyone within the Iraqi Government. Iran tried to float the idea that he was going to meet with a rep from Saudi Arabia to negotiate better relations, but Saudi said that was total BS. It poses the question, would you send a general that was responsible for the attacks on a Saudi oil field to negotiate peace? Seriously doubtful. So, it is possible that he did pose a imminent threat. But again it does not matter. This General had the blood of US service members on his hands, and was a legitimate military target. Don't forget that Iran declared that there existed a "War Situation" between Iran and the US in November 2018, and President Trump declared the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp as a terrorist group. Since Soleimani was the leader of the IRGC, that made him a legitimate military target.

    In my personal opinion, President Trump has played this perfectly. Granted he did take risks with US lives, but what military decision does not take that kind of risk? I have said this before, and I will keep saying this. Iran crossed the Trump red line in the sand. They killed a US Contractor in a terrorist attack on the Green Zone. The US retaliated. Iran staged a riot outside the US Embassy. The President ordered the attack against Soleimani. Iran began to stage their retaliation, and senior members of the Trump Administration went of TV and offered Iran an "off ramp" to war. Iran knows that they can not go toe-to-toe with the US military. We could bomb them back into the dark ages, and force them to import oil. We could have wiped out their entire navy, and we could have ended their Nuclear Ambitions is one series of strikes. Submarines, aircraft carriers, stealth fighters, stealth bombers, airborne, Tomahawk Missiles and satellite command and control systems all in the area and ready to go that very night. So, Iran launches a missile strike that targetted nothing but sand. Now, President Trump is talking more sanctions, including freezing their oil revenues that are in US banks. That would totally disseminate the Iranian economy. You can bet that there will be backdoor negotiations with the US, probably through the Swiss Government. Germany and Great Britain have backed the US on this incident. Boris Johnson has even backed President Trump in negotiating a new Nuke deal with Iran.
     
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    he tweeted what his red line was in an official presidential statement, so yes, we all know what Trump's red line was and that Iran crossed it and Trump let them
     
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    what government did Osama Bin Laden belong to again? he was part of a terrorist organization that we were at war with and had Congresses approval
     
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    Meh, so now Tweets are official government documents.....
     
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    You will applaud Iran no matter what so it really does not matter. I just know how many predicted WW3 after General Salami was taken out. Didn't happen.
     
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    When he attacked the USA on 9/11, he was attached to the Taliban fighting against the Afghanistan Northern Alliance. At the time he was taken out, he was living and working with full Regional Government knowledge in the Tribal areas of Pakistan. Not that it matters. Being the leader of a terrorist Organization makes him a legitimate military target.

    I think I covered this already. Soleimani was the leader of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp (IRGC). That organization was listed as a terrorist organization back in April 2019, and Iran declared that there existed a "War Situation" between Iran and the United States. That made Soleimani as legitimate a military target as Bin Laden was.
     
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    he was not part of any Government, not the same thing at all - we were at war with him and had congressional approval
     
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