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Old 04-20-2006, 12:16 PM
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Default Fitzgerald KNOWS Who First Source WAS

ROBERT NOVAK TALKS:

"The question is, does Mr. Fitzgerald know who the source was?" Novak asked. "Of course. He's known for years who the first source is. If he knows the source, why didn't he indict him? Because no crime was committed."

Straight from Robert Novak himself. This means that Novak told Fitzgerald who his source was....in the beginning of this so-called investigation. And the fact he didn't make any arrest means no crime was committed.

So....question remains: What's this all about? If Fitzpatrick knew that early on....the investigation should have ended right then. There was not even any reason to have put Libby or anyone else before the Grand Jury.

Novak says he'll tell everything as soon as this case is over: IF it's ever over. He seems rather confident. And I'm questioning the motives of Patrick Fitzgerald more and more.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/...s-novak20.html
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So....question remains: What's this all about? If Fitzpatrick knew that early on....the investigation should have ended right then.
If the President had declassified his intelligence report to permit disclosing its contents to the media, then why did the administration allow this case to make it so far as to receive the appointment of the Special Counsel? See the 12/30/2003 appointment letter made after the Presidential declassification during the summer of 2003: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/do...er_30_2003.pdf There are only three explanations that i can conclude: (1) the regime wanted to conceal that it had declassified the information for political purposes; or (2) the declassification of portions of the NIE did not extend to authorization of release of the identity of the covert CIA agent; or (3) consisting of both (1) and (2).

The portion of the NIE which was declassified, to distinguish from that which remained classified is a potentially significant issue. Here are two possible scenarios:
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NIE: " ...Based on reliable intel from a top intelligence "NOC" and our internal investigation, it is our conclusion that documents provided by aka "Curveball", which indicate attempts by Iraqi agents to purchase uranium ore from Niger has significant flaws; and is therefore, baseless and lacks merit. ..."
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NIE: " ...Based on reliable intel from a top intelligence "NOC" and our internal investigation, it is our conclusion that documents provided by aka "Curveball", which indicate attempts by Iraqi agents to purchase uranium ore from Niger, has significant ... merit. ..."
OK, JP, now to your question. If what was declassified has not been definitized, then Fitzgerald, charged with the "...Department's investigation into the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee's identity ..." had a fiduciary responsibility to determine which individual or individuals were responsible for the unauthorized disclosure.
If what was declassified had been definitized, and that declassification included the CIA employee's identity, then the disclosure would not have been unauthorized and there would be no purpose to the (continued) appointment of the Special Counsel. Since he remains appointed, it appears the declassification did not extend to the disclosure of the CIA employee's identity.
Since the declassification disclosure was made only in an effort to defend Libby, it is reasonable to assume that if Fitzgerald had not indicted Libby then we might still not be aware portions of the sensitive NIE were declassified. That disturbing disclosure of the Presidential/Vice Presidential declassification only resulted from the aggressive actions of the Special Counsel toward a member of the administration's inner circle. By pursuing this case further, it is also reasonable to see the possibility that more politically embarrassing information will be released by the white house in its efforts to protect its henchmen, if the Special Counsel is able to ferret them out. To me, and possibly also to Fitzgerald, that would seem to be a sound basis to continue the investigation.
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"The question is, does Mr. Fitzgerald know who the source was?" Novak asked. "Of course. He's known for years who the first source is. If he knows the source, why didn't he indict him? Because no crime was committed."
No case for Fitzgerald... according to Novak.


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By pursuing this case further, it is also reasonable to see the possibility that more politically embarrassing information will be released by the white house in its efforts to protect its henchmen, if the Special Counsel is able to ferret them out. To me, and possibly also to Fitzgerald, that would seem to be a sound basis to continue the investigation.
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So....question remains: What's this all about? If Fitzpatrick knew that early on....the investigation should have ended right then.
If the President had declassified his intelligence report to permit disclosing its contents to the media, then why did the administration allow this case to make it so far as to receive the appointment of the Special Counsel? See the 12/30/2003 appointment letter made after the Presidential declassification during the summer of 2003: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/do...er_30_2003.pdf There are only three explanations that i can conclude: (1) the regime wanted to conceal that it had declassified the information for political purposes; or (2) the declassification of portions of the NIE did not extend to authorization of release of the identity of the covert CIA agent; or (3) consisting of both (1) and (2).

The portion of the NIE which was declassified, to distinguish from that which remained classified is a potentially significant issue. Here are two possible scenarios:
Quote:
NIE: " ...Based on reliable intel from a top intelligence "NOC" and our internal investigation, it is our conclusion that documents provided by aka "Curveball", which indicate attempts by Iraqi agents to purchase uranium ore from Niger has significant flaws; and is therefore, baseless and lacks merit. ..."
or

NIE: " ...Based on reliable intel from a top intelligence "NOC" and our internal investigation, it is our conclusion that documents provided by aka "Curveball", which indicate attempts by Iraqi agents to purchase uranium ore from Niger, has significant ... merit. ..."
OK, JP, now to your question. If what was declassified has not been definitized, then Fitzgerald, charged with the "...Department's investigation into the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee's identity ..." had a fiduciary responsibility to determine which individual or individuals were responsible for the unauthorized disclosure.
If what was declassified had been definitized, and that declassification included the CIA employee's identity, then the disclosure would not have been unauthorized and there would be no purpose to the (continued) appointment of the Special Counsel. Since he remains appointed, it appears the declassification did not extend to the disclosure of the CIA employee's identity.
Since the declassification disclosure was made only in an effort to defend Libby, it is reasonable to assume that if Fitzgerald had not indicted Libby then we might still not be aware portions of the sensitive NIE were declassified. That disturbing disclosure of the Presidential/Vice Presidential declassification only resulted from the aggressive actions of the Special Counsel toward a member of the administration's inner circle. By pursuing this case further, it is also reasonable to see the possibility that more politically embarrassing information will be released by the white house in its efforts to protect its henchmen, if the Special Counsel is able to ferret them out. To me, and possibly also to Fitzgerald, that would seem to be a sound basis to continue the investigation.
MOST of what you just said makes absolutely NO SENSE. It's obvious you haven't a clue what this thread is about.

I'll try to assist you. Patrick Fitzgerald was given a case requested by the CIA to look into the matter of one of their CIA agents name being leaked. The LEAK had to do with a column that Robert Novak wrote. So.....if Novak told Fitzgerald early on WHO it was that told him Valerie Plame worked at the CIA.......then Fitzgerald should have either arrested THAT person, or if it wasn't a CRIME, then drop the case and explain why he was dropping the case.

You're trying hard to make this real complicated.....as Fitzgerald is. But it's JUST not complicated.
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you JP, are no Einstein
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/do...ry_06_2004.pdf
read the clarification of Fitzpatrick's authority here JP and you will see that the range and scope of his investigation are not as limited as you appear to wish.
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This means that Novak told Fitzgerald who his source was....in the beginning of this so-called investigation. And the fact he didn't make any arrest means no crime was committed.
... note the February 2004 clarification of the US Attorney's delagation of authority to the Special Counsel in the link above which states
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... investigation into the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee's identity is plenary and includes the authority to investigate and prosecute violations of any federal criminal laws related to the underlying alleged unauthorized disclosure, as well as federal crimes committed in the course of, and with the intent to interfere with, your investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses, to conduct the appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted, and to pursue administrative remedies and civil sanctions (such as civil contempt) that are within the Attorney General's authority to impose or pursue. ..."
my emphasis in bold
It is obvious the charge to Fitzpatrick as Special Counsel now extends well beyond finding out who leaked but to also now include the identification and prosecution of those who obstructed and/or lied and/or coerced.

maybe he can catch himself a Rove and have it stuffed and mounted
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it's none other than Karl Rove. This is not news.
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I don't think so. Novak said long ago, it wasn't someone who is particularly political. That wouldn't be Rove. THEN, on top of that, Novak confirmed it with his source at the CIA.

Point is: no one was arrested. If leaking her name was illegal.....Fitzpatrick would have already arrested them.
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that could be. But Rove is on the verge of indictment. I'm wondering too about Ari Fleischer.

O/T a little, I just saw that they fired an agent at the C.I.A. for leaking info about those secret prisons.
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He can indict all he wants: he's turning itno a regular Ronnie Earle. But bottom line is.....Valerie Plame's name was common knowledge.

That's kewl about the CIA agent being fired. Maybe it was Valerie Plame. She's been known to leak Classified information to reporters. Hope they finally caught her. Regardless, it's obviously someone who thinks like Plame does. It's about time the CIA got some of their leakers.
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