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Old 04-22-2006, 12:06 PM
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Default CIA Chief of Europe - Bush ignored intelligence

As we all know, Bush was going to war with Iraq no matter what. The UN Resolutions, the inspectors going back, was all a sham because we were going to war with Saddam irregardless of WMD or links to Al Qeada.

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WASHINGTON -- The former chief of the CIA's European operation is accusing the White House of ignoring the spy agency's doubts that Iraq had a budding nuclear program or weapons of mass destruction as the U.S. prepared for war.

"The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy," Tyler Drumheller told CBS' "60 Minutes" for an interview to be broadcast Sunday night. The network released excerpts ahead of the airing.

The White House has denied that intelligence, while flawed, was exaggerated or manipulated in the months before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

Drumheller, who retired last year, said the White House ignored crucial information from a high and credible source who claimed that there were no active programs for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. "60 Minutes" identified the source as Iraq's foreign minister, Naji Sabri, with whom U.S. spies had made a deal.
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CIA Director George Tenet delivered the information to President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and other high-ranking officials in September 2002, according to Drumheller. A few days later the administration said it was no longer interested.

Drumheller said he was told about the exchange that followed: "And we said, 'Well, what about the intel?' And they said, 'Well, this isn't about intel anymore. This is about regime change."'

CIA spokesman Tom Crispell said Saturday that Drumheller's remarks do not reflect the views of the agency.
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So let me get this strait,

We have the Iraq foreign minister spying for us and saying there is no WMD. We have Saddams son in law who defected, and would have first hand knowledge, claiming there is no WMD. But the source deemed most reliable and repeated over and over by the administration is a guy named "Curveball" who we never interview and the German intelligence that is interviewing him claims is unreliable.
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Old 04-22-2006, 12:46 PM
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IT wouldn't matter if God himself came down and told the Kool-Aid drinkers that the war was fixed from the beginning, let alone the head of the c.i.a. in Europe.
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Old 04-22-2006, 06:02 PM
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Saddam Behind Anthrax Attacks?
By Cliff Kincaid

January 1, 2004

In a major development, potentially as significant as the capture of Saddam Hussein, investigative journalist Richard Miniter says there is evidence to indicate Saddam’s anthrax program was capable of producing the kind of anthrax that hit America shortly after 9/11. Miniter, author of Losing bin Laden, told Accuracy in Media that during November he interviewed U.S. weapons inspector Dr. David Kay in Baghdad and that he was "absolutely shocked and astonished" at the sophistication of the Iraqi program.

Miniter said that Kay told him that, "the Iraqis had developed new techniques for drying and milling anthrax—techniques that were superior to anything the United States or the old Soviet Union had. That would make the former regime of Saddam Hussein the most sophisticated manufacturer of anthrax in the world." Miniter said there are "intriguing similarities" between the nature of the anthrax that could be produced by Saddam and what hit America after 9/11. The key similarity is that the anthrax is produced in such a way that "hangs in the air much longer than anthrax normally would" and is therefore more lethal."
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We just don't know everything yet. We may never know everything. But the point was that after 9/11, we could no longer tolerate the threat of Saddam Hussein. And the world is better off without him. Not even any Democrat is saying Saddam should be back in power.
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Maybe Saddam was simply trying to return our merchandise.
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Old 04-22-2006, 09:47 PM
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Default Or maybe

he was drinking the cool aid. The US government major report on it concluded there was no such program. Probably they were all commies covering up the matter.

I wonder if a single pro-war type read the report by the government on WMD I posted (based on a humongous two year effort by people who were certain they would find WMD)? Probably not.
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Theres also factual Iraqi documentation showing Saddam fully intended to restart the program...
But as you admited in another thread. You don't concern yourself with such things.

The report you point to said what?..there is no evidence that we can find of existing stockpiles of WMD..yep AND WHAT ELSE????

...there is though evidence that Saddam fully intended to restart said program as soon as he felt it possible..


Lets see thats not only the report you point to but Saddam himself saying your full of it.

But as you admitted you don't concern yourself with such things.
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Old 04-23-2006, 12:55 AM
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Default The only evidence

that Saddam was taking active steps to start a new WMD like in the strange fantasies of neo-cons nowehere in reality. Saddam, sharing the same type of fantasy life that neo-cons inhabit, talked about all kinds of stuff including coquering the world and destroying the invading US armies in 03. All of which is documented. The only problem is that 1) he could not do it and 2) he did not try in the case of WMD.

What matters is not what Saddam would have liked to do, but what he actually did. And what he actually did was to stop work on his WMD program by the late nineties.
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Old 04-23-2006, 01:09 AM
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His ministers said the opposite in the late 90's.
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they did zilch. Actions not words matter. If I say I am going to blow up the world, that has little significance unless I actually try.
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many times when the Bush administration took hotly contested WMD intelligence and presented it as fact to the American Public. The Bush administration never waited for final confirmation on WMD. In its haste to present it's case the, administration would simply ignore or overlook warnings that indicated doubts or conflicting information regarding evidence. Screw the American Public.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/06/po...gewanted=print


WASHINGTON, Nov. 5 — A top member of Al Qaeda in American custody was identified as a likely fabricator months before the Bush administration began to use his statements as the foundation for its claims that Iraq trained Al Qaeda members to use biological and chemical weapons, according to newly declassified portions of a Defense Intelligence Agency document.



http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwash...e/11893057.htm

WASHINGTON - The former Iraqi exile group that gave the Bush administration exaggerated and fabricated intelligence on Iraq also fed much of the same information to leading newspapers, news agencies and magazines in the United States, Britain and Australia

In fact, many of the allegations came from the same half-dozen defectors, weren't confirmed by other intelligence and were hotly disputed by intelligence professionals at the CIA, the Defense Department and the State Department.

Nevertheless, U.S. officials and others who supported a pre-emptive invasion quoted the allegations in statements and interviews without running afoul of restrictions on classified information or doubts about the defectors' reliability



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101888_pf.html

Washington Post

Wednesday, April 12, 2006; A01

On May 29, 2003, 50 days after the fall of Baghdad, President Bush proclaimed a fresh victory for his administration in Iraq: Two small trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile "biological laboratories." He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction."

The claim, repeated by top administration officials for months afterward, was hailed at the time as a vindication of the decision to go to war. But even as Bush spoke, U.S. intelligence officials possessed powerful evidence that it was not true.

A secret fact-finding mission to Iraq -- not made public until now -- had already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons. Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president's statement.
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