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A senior federal law enforcement official tells ABC News the government is tracking the phone numbers we (Brian Ross and Richard Esposito) call in an effort to root out confidential sources.

"It's time for you to get some new cell phones, quick," the source told us in an in-person conversation.

ABC News does not know how the government determined who we are calling, or whether our phone records were provided to the government as part of the recently-disclosed NSA collection of domestic phone calls.

Other sources have told us that phone calls and contacts by reporters for ABC News, along with the New York Times and the Washington Post, are being examined as part of a widespread CIA leak investigation.
Gee, you don't suppose this sort of thing could be abused, do you?
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Gee, you don't suppose this sort of thing could be abused, do you?
well if you listen to half the people around here they will say:

everything is fine........listening to these reporters must be a "national security matter". what's your problem buddy these guys might be helping terrorists. You must be a conspiracy nut.




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IF they are doing this as part of the investigation of the leak then that is fine. If they are doing it just because they want to find out who they are calling then I would have a problem with that.
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IF they are doing this as part of the investigation of the leak then that is fine. If they are doing it just because they want to find out who they are calling then I would have a problem with that.
How do you know what they're using it for? How do you find out? And how would you go about stopping it or punishing it?

The problem here is that by letting the government have this power, we're practically inviting abuse. The definition of "national security" is amorphous to begin with. Plus our government has already demonstrated a decades-long penchant for overclassifying stuff, from the stupid to the embarassing to the criminal.

We are now reaching a point where the government can commit a crime, classify the relevant info, then track the reporters investigating it and silence the sources. Technology has made possible what Nixon tried and failed to do with Watergate.

Yes, technology can be used as a counterforce, encrypting calls, spoofing IP addresses and the like. But I much prefer that the government's hands be tied in that contest, since its resources vastly overmatch any private individual's.

We have to find another way to fight terror. Because the government cannot be trusted with the kind of power we're trying to hand it.
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How do you know what they're using it for? How do you find out? And how would you go about stopping it or punishing it?
We don't even know if it's happening to begin with, since this is all from anonymous sources. If they are doing it to investigate leaks then I imagine this would have to be covered in congessional hearings on those leaks.

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The problem here is that by letting the government have this power, we're practically inviting abuse. The definition of "national security" is amorphous to begin with. Plus our government has already demonstrated a decades-long penchant for overclassifying stuff, from the stupid to the embarassing to the criminal.

We are now reaching a point where the government can commit a crime, classify the relevant info, then track the reporters investigating it and silence the sources. Technology has made possible what Nixon tried and failed to do with Watergate.
Nixon lost in court when he tried this, how would today be any different if they tried? Tracking reporters (depending on what specifically you mean here), unless in the commission of a crime, violates the first amendment if no warrants and silencing them is also illegal. I don't see what has changed there.

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Yes, technology can be used as a counterforce, encrypting calls, spoofing IP addresses and the like. But I much prefer that the government's hands be tied in that contest, since its resources vastly overmatch any private individual's.

We have to find another way to fight terror. Because the government cannot be trusted with the kind of power we're trying to hand it.
Personally I don't want to tie their hands, but would support oversight as well.
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IF they are doing this as part of the investigation of the leak then that is fine. If they are doing it just because they want to find out who they are calling then I would have a problem with that.
Ha Ha Ha........the last leak was the one Bush said he was outraged about when those FBI people were outed. Now it comes out Bush himself leaked it and he claims as president he can leak that stuff no matter if FBI people were killed as a result or not.
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First of all....we don't know it's really being done. Someone said that someone said doesn't cut it as proof. Secondly, there IS a criminal CIA leak investigation of Classified information that endangered our national security.

You need a lot more information that what you have here.
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First of all....we don't know it's really being done. Someone said that someone said doesn't cut it as proof. Secondly, there IS a criminal CIA leak investigation of Classified information that endangered our national security.

You need a lot more information that what you have here.
This, if it continues, can and will be used to intimidate the press as a whole. It could be used in that way just as easily by a Democratic President as by a Republican one. Moreover, these leaks of information didn't endanger our national security; they protected us from government abuse of power and invasion of privacy. Again, whether these spying programs are technically legal or not, they are unethical.
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First of all....we don't know it's really being done. Someone said that someone said doesn't cut it as proof. Secondly, there IS a criminal CIA leak investigation of Classified information that endangered our national security.

You need a lot more information that what you have here.
This, if it continues, can and will be used to intimidate the press as a whole. It could be used in that way just as easily by a Democratic President as by a Republican one. Moreover, these leaks of information didn't endanger our national security; they protected us from government abuse of power and invasion of privacy. Again, whether these spying programs are technically legal or not, they are unethical.
You can't pick and choose which leaks you want to be ethical and/or legal for that matter. IF someone leaked Classified material, they broke the law. And if they leaked Classified material about a NSA spying program, they endangered our military and threaten our national security. One important thing terrorists just learned this week: USE QWEST PHONES!!
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