Thread: al-Qaeda enters the Twilight Zone

Originally Posted by RoccoR

sgtslaughter42, et al,Yes, we will, for some time into the future, be afraid of the monster under the bed. Like children being told ghost stories, al-Qaeda is hidden in the shadows, just waiting to spring upon us.>>>>Brevity Snip<<<<<Most Respectfully,
R

I don't think anyone is afraid of the al-hydra monster that hides under the bed of its brothers slayer (the USA) because it's wounded and weakened. Of course there are other heads to the hydra and they are all deadly. I am sure that there are some conspiracy theory nuts here at PC that feel radical Islam and or Alqueada had nothing to do with the events of 9/11. Did Ben Laden really think the United States would not get him one day?

I think he thought the US government and coalition forces government(s) would tire of chasing him and he just might get away with the slaughter and murder of thousands of innocent men women and children in one attack, and live to command another mass murder. That was not to be, he lived not to fight, but rather to scurry from one hole to another like the frightened rat he was. Did the current USA president benefit? Who cares, the wicked witch is dead. Now the terrorist hairball leaders that send children to their deaths will know that if they harm our people they will suffer the same fate as Mr Ben Laden and his lieutenants.

Rev A

[QUOTE=RevAnarchist;4700717]
I am sure that there are some conspiracy theory nuts here at PC that feel radical Islam and or Alqueada had nothing to do with the events of 9/11. Did Ben Laden really think the United States would not get him one day?



I am sure you are absolutely right .
But there are many more others who are not Conspiracy Theory Nuts who agree with them to some degree or another .Or , who are still puzzled .

Interestingly , Osama never admitted to having any direct or major involvement , though I am sure he fully praised the results .
I suspect that in time most will laugh at the useless US efforts which apparently took ten years to achieve -- to track down one old and sick man .
Others will want to revisit the events of December 10 th to 12th of 2011 when the US turned down at least three opportunities to take him out on the Afghan/Pakistan north east border .
Others might want to re-interview those who attended his funeral in January of 2002 after his kidneys finally gave out .Were they pranksters?
Others will want to resurrect all the obviously fake videos released from 2002 onwards .

But against that , others will not dare to laugh at another Seal film of complete nonsense -- perhaps starring a resurrected John Wayne . After all , John Wayne always gets his man , with his gun and while whistling ," God Bless America".

Originally Posted by RevAnarchist

I am sure that there are some conspiracy theory nuts here at PC that feel radical Islam and or Alqueada had nothing to do with the events of 9/11. Did Ben Laden really think the United States would not get him one day?

Originally Posted by raymondo

I am sure you are absolutely right .
But there are many more others who are not Conspiracy Theory Nuts who agree with them to some degree or another .Or , who are still puzzled

Well, I am no fan of any type of government and that includes my own. My own countries forefathers warned about too big a federal government, which is why I wish the south would have won the USA's civil war, horrific slavery would have fallen away as it became unprofitable.I have and will feel the war was really fought for states rights and against a huge ever growing (in power etc) malignant federal government. Eisenhower a combat general and president who had intimate knowledge of the USAs power urged extreme caution of the military industrial complex. His urgings were prophetic, but I am digressing. Anyway the only question I have is why ole Ben is sleeping with the fishes. The official explanation was that no nation would accept his body. Hmmmm' ?

Interestingly , Osama never admitted to having any direct or major involvement ,

That is near conspiracy nut land eh? At first I had some doubts that normal aircraft could cause the damage of 9/11. After research and later facts I have no cause to not suspect Islamic terrorists. Ben Laden did apparently confess to the attacks. ie ; " Osama DENIED having anything to do with 9/11 on several occasions immediately after the attacks. Months later a video of him admitting to the attacks suddenly" Of course some claim all tapes etc made after 2001 are faked. I just don't buy it.

though I am sure he fully praised the results .
I suspect that in time most will laugh at the useless US efforts which apparently took ten years to achieve --

Ha ha I don't think so! Ten years is a long time, but I could hide for ten years with his money, I am sure of it! The point is that he was running and hiding for those ten years, any criminal on the lam will tell you its no fun to be hunted. Hunted he was with predator drones and CIA spooks even his own kind ratted him out. Did you see what he looked like? He was not a young man but he looked all of 80 years old in the last tape. Lastly he died violently as did some of his family. Ten years is a short period of time to have as a lifespan. I would like to say that I found no joy in hearing of his death especially of his family death. Actually I felt a kind of dreadful sadness. He died as one Nat Geographic special said in what he feared most, as an irrelevant old man with his movement dead. He reaped what he sowed. I am happy that I had no family member, a daughter, wife, or father, that jumped from a 40th floor of the world trade center, for if so I would have extreme joy in his death and of his families and friends deaths.

to track down one old and sick man .

Hitler was an old sick man as well, it did not diminish the largesse of the murderous monster that he was.

Others will want to revisit the events of December 10 th to 12th of 2011 when the US turned down at least three opportunities to take him out on theAfghan/Pakistan north east border .

Yes the forces did not want to drop a bunker buster on innocents. If we had of been as ruthless and as cruel as he and his group was I am sure he would have been liquidated in far less than ten years. There is a price to pay for compassion.

Others might want to re-interview those who attended his funeral in January of 2002 after his kidneys finally gave out .Were they pranksters?
Others will want to resurrect all the obviously fake videos released from 2002 onwards .

I am sorry I feel that is hearsay and propaganda. If I were a hunted man I too would have faked my death etc.

But against that , others will not dare to laugh at another Seal film of complete nonsense -- perhaps starring a resurrected John Wayne . After all , John Wayne always gets his man , with his gun and while whistling ," God Bless America".

Well we must believe something and I feel that the way he died as explained on the tube was fairly accurate. They basically slaughtered him eh? If they were making a propaganda film I think the CIA/NSA producers would have him shooting at the Seals or ambushing them etc as well as family members making his death self defense. No, it was as it happened. No candy coating.

Rev A

Rev , Just one or two observations
1 . Re the videos . have a look at them . Note the where the experts show the "errors" and the absurd body and facial differences , and make up your own mind .
Most raised points seem to be beyond sensible disagreement , once you look at known genuine photos alongside .
2.Interesting you cite Hitler , as this month saw the publication of a remarkable book which confirms beyond doubt that the remains of Adolf and Eva are most certainly not those hidden away by the Russians for so long . In fact "Hitler's "skull is actually the remains of a woman in her forties.
It goes on to detail the conspiracy which allowed 30000 SS officers to escape mostly to Argentina in return for the fortune held by the Reich plus the transfer of key German Scientists which are the complete basis of the present US Empire --- Atomic Nuclear Bomb development missiles and supersonic flight being the more obvious areas.
The most amazing part ( and the one which will be the most ridiculed by those passing judgement without reading the book ) details the move of Adolf and Eva to Argentina via Denmark and with full American co-operation . If you buy into the book , he lived until 1962 and had two children with Eva in Argentina .
Worth reading , whatever conclusions you make .
3. The scorned opportunities to take Osama out with drones concerned a small AQ group crossing the Tora Bora and no women or children were present .
Reputable journalists were present and their testimonies are available
4 There is also a Consultant and Surgeon who treated Osama in Pakistan . According to them and others there was no way he could have lived much longer than he did ( Jan 2002) and ten years (2011) are a miracle of all miracles . Testimony is on record .
5 . Same type of comments from those at his funeral Jan 2002) . Written testimonies .

I keep an open mind and whilst I don't imagine I have even a small part of the full story , I suspect the nub of matters probably lies in the History of Osama's family and tribe relationships with Bush specifically, the American Government in total , and key Neo -Cons like Cheney and Rumsfeld .
Possibly the US did a deal with Osama giving all key Saudis complete safety providing he played the " fall guy" .
He knew he was a dying man , and the US got the Bogey Man they needed to get permission from all good and hurt Americans to move into Afghanistan to fight Al Qaeda and " rid the world of terror".Al Qaeda had actually left a long time previously and Osama was only selling the Taliban to the US -- and by then relationships between the two groups was almost non existent .
I have never formed any serious theory of complete 9/11 responsibility but it seems far more complex than the official version . Whoever was responsible used Nanothermite fire and explosive accelerants to bring down the three towers by controlled explosions . But who " they ' were , I do not know . Certainly not the same group who hijacked the planes .
Never lose sight of the eighties when Osama and the US worked as one to undermine the Soviets in Afghanistan . Great bonds were forged . A lot of favours were stored on both sides and the complexities are incalculable and buried very deeply .
Fascinating because the likes of us will never be privy to what really occurred .All imo .

My basset destroyed the Ethernet cable to HAL (my computer) so sorry, my reply is late. I will have a look at the vids. I rarely look at them for personal reasons. But I am after the truth, no matter how it plays out, and will respond soon.

Rev A

Quote OP May 9, 2011

Now that bin Laden sleeps with the fishes, Hussein & Company, along with the WaPo and just about every other media outlet, is on a quest to convince Americans that concern for military personnel was a factor before the SEALs went in. That fairy tale originates with the political party that was responsible for the unnecessary deaths of thousands of American military people in Vietnam and Iraq. It makes no sense that those people would suddenly care about risking the lives of 40 or so SEALs.

Irrespective of what Hussein says after the fact, he cared about the political fallout if the mission failed. He also weighed the tremendous benefits he and every Democrat would harvest if the mission was a success, but to say the lives of American military people was a concern rings hollow coming from any Democrat.

Now, listen to the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jniVe...layer_embedded

Flanders, et al,

First, the proper form of address is "The President;" or the short title: POTUS. The President may be referred to as the Command-in-Chief (CINC) in the Constitutional role as the executive commanding the armed forces.

Originally Posted by Flanders

Originally Posted by OP (Flanders) May 9, 2011

Now that bin Laden sleeps with the fishes, Hussein & Company, along with the WaPo and just about every other media outlet, is on a quest to convince Americans that concern for military personnel was a factor before the SEALs went in. That fairy tale originates with the political party that was responsible for the unnecessary deaths of thousands of American military people in Vietnam and Iraq. It makes no sense that those people would suddenly care about risking the lives of 40 or so SEALs.

Irrespective of what Hussein says after the fact, he cared about the political fallout if the mission failed. He also weighed the tremendous benefits he and every Democrat would harvest if the mission was a success, but to say the lives of American military people was a concern rings hollow coming from any Democrat.

Now, listen to the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jniVe...layer_embedded

(COMMENT)

Sean Hannity is a very vocal, syndicated commentator holding an exceptionally strong conservative agenda. He is not a fair broker on any political issue; but generally holds to the more "conservative values." And believe me when I say, that making an armed incursion into a sovereign nation is a political issue of the highest magnitude; both, domestically and internationally.

It must be remembered that the Office of The President is, if anything, a political office reserved for politicians.

My most favorite political line from any movie comes from:

Originally Posted by Hunt for the Red October, Jeffrey Pelt, National Security Advisor, says:

Listen, I'm a politician which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their lollipops. But it also means I keep my options open.

A politician is the character of The President. You will never know exactly how much The President, or any of the two-for-a-nickel advisors, worried about the actual service members undertaking the mission. But a being prepared for the political fallout of any potentially controversial action is poetically and quintessentially a basic characteristic of a politician. Sean Hannity, nor any of his contributors, can know what The President might have done, had the mission turned for the worst or failed. But history tells us that previous Presidents have taken the same track as did President Carter when the Hostage Rescue attempt failed in Iran.

I also think it is reasonable to believe that The President had the very same concern for the team members, as he does for all members of the Armed Forces and Foreign Service that are sent in harms way. And each leader learns to deal with that in there own way. While I would never question his honor or integrity, I'm quite sure Sean Hannity, who never served a day under fire, or in foreign service --- much less as a leader that might have to send personnel into danger, is not an authority on the matter. So, it might be best if you look back on your experiences as a senior in command and compare your combat leadership decisions to what Hannity and his contributors describe - and determine whether or not you would want Hannity making judgements on your leadership characteristics. I'm rather doubtful if Hannity is qualified to lead a group of Girl Scouts across the park, let alone, critique the CINC on such personal matters and characteristics.

Most Respectfully,
R

et al,

Yeah! Interesting.

Originally Posted by Al Qaeda in Iraq threatens attacks in U.S., 26 July 12

WASHINGTON — The militant organization that was once the scourge of the U.S. militarycampaign in Iraq and probably is responsible for more than 100 deaths in the country over the last few days has set its sights on launching attacks in the United States, intelligence officials said.

Al Qaeda in Iraq released a message this week that threatened to strike at the "heart" of the United States, and several associates of the group have been arrested in the U.S. and Canada in the last two years, said American officials, a sign that the organization has tried to establish a network in North America.

The arrests highlight "the potential threat posed to the United States" from Al Qaeda in Iraq, said Matthew Olsen, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, during a hearing Wednesday before the House Homeland Security Committee examining the current threat from terrorism to the United States.
SOURCE: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,6632983.story

(COMMENT)

I wonder how viable the threat is to the US?

I'm wondering if the new AQI actually has a chance to reconstitute itself in Iraq?

Most Respectfully,
R

Originally Posted by RoccoR

It is true that al-Qaeda (proper) has encouraged these independent Jihadist to continue the struggle, the original al-Qaeda has not been a viable C3 for some number of years. Al-Qaeda (as a brand name) has become the monster under the bed, and we will call every Jihadist we come across by the monster's name; and tied to the events of 911.

Exactly, and this is really nothing new.

A lot of people have amazingly already forgotten the PLO, and the slew of "Alphabet Soup" offshoots that the organization either founded, spun off, or left for their own reasons.

The PLO begat one really serious terrorist organization, that known as Black September. And this was almost a disaster for the organization because of their one major strike. And when they afterwards largely turned away from such attacks, a lot of members left and formed their own organizations. This began the almost mind-numbing variants.

PLFP
PFPL
DFLP
PIJ
PPSF
ALF
PAF
PIJ

And there were a great many more, but many of them in one way or another were founded from members that were once in the PLO, or still supported them. However as the PLO left behind the radicals and became more mainstream, you had other groups rise up to take it's place in the eyes of the Jihadists, like Hezbollah.

al-Qaeda is not much different. A lot of groups that call themselves AQ really have no connection, but use the name as a recruiting tool or a way to get support. Others would like to be part of AQ, but for one reason or another have not been accepted by them. And others have actually been trying to gain control of the organization. But just like the alphabet soup of Palestinian Organizations from the 60's until the early 1990's, these will likely continue to be threats for decades to come no matter what.

Because most of them will not be satisfied unless they get complete victory. And in this case it seems to be the destruction of the US and Israel, and conversion of most of the world to Sharia Islamic states.

Originally Posted by RoccoR

et al,

I wonder how viable the threat is to the US?

I'm wondering if the new AQI actually has a chance to reconstitute itself in Iraq?

Most Respectfully,
R

To RoccoR: This informative article answers your questions:

Normalization of Islam
David Rushton Thursday, July 26, 2012

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48369