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Old 01-31-2007, 08:57 AM
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Default The good, the bad, or the ugly?

Its easy to talk about what could have been done in the Middle East and ways it could have been conducted better(The random bombings in Afghanistan, Bushes certainty on matter he was wrong about, and many more). The hard part is accepting what is right. For one, Saddam leaving this world. Not many can oppose this. Another will be when the people in Iraq and other parts of the middle east are under a new government that is not completely under control by religion and is governed by the people. When that is complete the US economy will regain its losses and there will be more safety to many parts of the world.
This may take many years after the reforms happen in Iraq. But, I can only hope that this is along the lines of what our government officials had in mind when all of this started. I hope this is not a way to achieve personal goals because that is not what they where elected for.

(let me know what you think...Good, Bad, or Ugly)
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Old 01-31-2007, 11:27 AM
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I mean, is my statement Good Bad Ugly Or Just Plain Stupid
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Default intervention in Iraq? Look what happened to Iran!

1921, Reza Khan
from August 25 to September 17, 1941 During World War II, Britain and the USSR invaded Iran, to stop an Axis-supported coup and secure Iran's petroleum infrastructure.
16 September 1941 Allies force abdication of Reza Khan in favour of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi his son
The Shah of Iran was the first and only one of two Muslim leaders (other being Turkey) to recognize the State of Israel. The relations would deteriorate after the creation of the Islamic Republic.
1951, the Iranian parliament, under the leadership of the nationalist movement of Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh, voted unanimously to nationalize the oil industry. This shut out the immensely profitable Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), which was a pillar of Britain's economy and political clout. A month after that vote, Mossadegh was named Prime Minister of Iran.
1953 the CIA and British intelligence funded and led a coup d'etat to overthrow the democratically elected prime minister with the help of military forces loyal to the Shah through Operation Ajax
1957 SAVAK (National Organization for Information and Security, which was organized with the help of the CIA.).This infamous agency operated its own secret prison, used torture extensively, assassinated dissidents, and kept the CIA informed.
January 21, 1965. Prime Minister Hassan Ali Mansur's assassinated, Nassiri (SAVAK) brutally cracked down on various elements of Iranian society and was one of the most hated figures by the eve of the Iranian Revolution.
1975, The Shah of Iran abolished the multi-party system of government so that he could rule through a one-party state under the Rastakhiz (Resurrection) Party
09 Jan 1978 - Anti-Shah riots leave 60 dead (Iran)
10 Dec 1978 - Protests call for end to Shah and military rule
16 Jan 1979 - Shah Pahlavi flees Iran
(1979 - US State Dept includes Iraq in list of states sponsoring terrorism)
04 Nov 1979 – Iranian students/Militants storm the US embassy (termed “Den of spies”) in Tehran; 60 hostages taken
25 Apr 1980 - Operation Eagle Claw. Hostage rescue mission by US fails.
22 Sep 1980 - War breaks out between Iran and Iraq when Iraq invades Iran at Khuzestan,
21 Jan 1981 - Tehran releases US hostages
20 Dec 1983 - Donald Rumsfeld shakes hands with Saddam Hussein, sealing the mutual military interests and support.
24 March 1984; the UN released a report that Iraq had used mustard gas and tabun nerve agent against Iranian troops.

Tens of thousands of Iranian civilians and military personnel were killed when Iraq used chemical weapons in its warfare. Iraq was financially backed by Egypt, the Arab countries of the Persian Gulf, the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact states, the United States (beginning in 1983), France, the United Kingdom, Germany, Brazil, and the People's Republic of China (which also sold weapons to Iran). All of these countries provided intelligence, agents for chemical weapons as well as other forms of military assistance to Saddam Hussein. Iran's principal allies during the war were Syria, Libya, and North Korea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran

And funnily enough it was The Ayatollah Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini, leader of the Islamic revolution and founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran who first called for Saddam Hussein to be tried for Crimes against Humanity.

Every time the West has intervened the Persians have only become more radical.

And Iraq is heading in the same dirrection.
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