Iran 'hoodwinked' CIA over nuclear plans

DuH2 · #1 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 09:09 PM

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Iran 'hoodwinked' CIA over nuclear plans
By Tim Shipman in Washington, Philip Sherwell and Carolynne Wheeler
Last Updated: 2:14am GMT 11/12/2007

British spy chiefs have grave doubts that Iran has mothballed its nuclear weapons programme, as a US intelligence report claimed last week, and believe the CIA has been hoodwinked by Teheran.

Analysts believe that Iranian staff, knowing their phones were tapped, deliberately gave misinformation

The timing of the CIA report has also provoked fury in the British Government, where officials believe it has undermined efforts to impose tough new sanctions on Iran and made an Israeli attack on its nuclear facilities more likely.

The security services in London want concrete evidence to allay concerns that the Islamic state has fed disinformation to the CIA.

The report used new evidence - including human sources, wireless intercepts and evidence from an Iranian defector - to conclude that Teheran suspended the bomb-making side of its nuclear programme in 2003. But British intelligence is concerned that US spy chiefs were so determined to avoid giving President Bush a reason to go to war - as their reports on Saddam Hussein's weapons programmes did in Iraq - that they got it wrong this time.

A senior British official delivered a withering assessment of US intelligence-gathering abilities in the Middle East and revealed that British spies shared the concerns of Israeli defence chiefs that Iran was still pursuing nuclear weapons.

The source said British analysts believed that Iranian nuclear staff, knowing their phones were tapped, deliberately gave misinformation. "We are sceptical. We want to know what the basis of it is, where did it come from? Was it on the basis of the defector? Was it on the basis of the intercept material? They say things on the phone because they know we are up on the phones. They say black is white. They will say anything to throw us off.

"It's not as if the American intelligence agencies are regarded as brilliant performers in that region. They got badly burned over Iraq."

A US intelligence source has revealed that some American spies share the concerns of the British and the Israelis. "Many middle- ranking CIA veterans believe Iran is still committed to producing nuclear weapons and are concerned that the agency lost a number of its best sources in Iran in 2004," the official said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...9/wiran109.xml

Israel doesn't buy it..

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Israel challenges report on nukes
By Joshua Mitnick
December 5, 2007
TEL AVIV — Israeli officials yesterday disputed the conclusions of Monday's surprise U.S. assessment of Iran's nuclear program, citing "clear and solid intelligence" that Iran is continuing to develop nuclear weapons to threaten Israel and Europe.

"We have no doubt," said one Israeli official, who requested to remain anonymous. "If one looks at the investment, if one looks at the nature of the project, if you look at the cost to the Iranian economy, there is no logical explanation other than that the Iranian program is not benign."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...112050069/1001

IOW our closest ally and most need USA ally... basically think we have been taken or at best are being fools.

nonsqtr · #2 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 09:56 PM

Oh wait, let's see.... these are the same people that told us Iraq had WMD, right?

I mean, all the while "our" intelligence people were expressing "grave doubts", right?

So, like, whose "grave doubts" are you gonna trust more, their or ours?

DuH2 · #3 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 10:22 PM

France and Germany have pretty much said similar things in various ways.
They are the nations you and others pointed to as declared to be the "WORLD"

What happens when the "WORLD" turns clockwise?
..well those going counterclockwise suddenly don't "respect" it anymore.

I suppose if all else fails the Western Sahara can become the "World"..just ignore the Moroccans.

97240sx · #4 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 10:48 PM

Pretty interesting information... but I hope that the contradicting evidence is not a reason in anyone's mind to head over there and kill a bunch of people.

How certain do we need to be that Iran intends to not only to possess and build, but also deploy and use nuclear weapons, before it constitutes an invasion? I say 100%. Some neocons may say 0.0001%.

edit: ok I'll concede some leeway here. I'll bid 99%. Do I hear lower?

nonsqtr · #5 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DuH2";p=&quot

France and Germany have pretty much said similar things in various ways.
They are the nations you and others pointed to as declared to be the "WORLD"

What happens when the "WORLD" turns clockwise?
..well those going counterclockwise suddenly don't "respect" it anymore.

I suppose if all else fails the Western Sahara can become the "World"..just ignore the Moroccans.

So like, okay. When you don't like what "the world" is saying, then it's either "ignore them", or "screw 'em", or even "how dare they".... you know, the UN sucks, ignore international law (what good is it anyway, it's arbitrary and meaningless)....

But when world opinion is "useful" for you, then suddenly you're gonna remind me that there are other people out there.....

So which is it? Do you like the Moroccans, or don't you? I don't mind 'em, they make some really good.... never-mind....

klipkap · #6 (**permalink**) 12-12-2007, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nonsqtr";p=&quot

When you don't like what "the world" is saying, then it's either "ignore them", or "screw 'em", or even "how dare they".... you know, the UN sucks, ignore international law (what good is it anyway, it's arbitrary and meaningless)....

But when world opinion is "useful" for you, then suddenly you're gonna remind me that there are other people out there.....

So which is it?

Well said nonsqtr, not just because we seem to be on the same side of the fence, but because it really DOES highlight a serious flaw in the US intelligence and, as a result, war mongering system.

1) If the NIA is wrong due to pure incompetence then the US is deep in the doo-doo. Its security system has obviously failed appallingly once again.

2) Or is it that you can no longer trust your agencies because they are involved in Machiavellian plots to undermine the presidency and its finger on the big trigger. OMG that must surely be even worse!!

3) Or is it that your intelligence agencies and process ARE working well, but you can no longer trust your president to listen properly to the reasoned opinion of your agencies?

So which of the above three scenarios do you chose? The NIE is 1) incompetent, or it is 2) competent but is a dysfunctional Machiavellian adder in the bosom of the greatest upholder of freedom and democracy on the planet, Dubya II, or it is 3) competent and not dysfunctional, but Dubya pays no attention to it when it suits him?

Sorry, which one did you say? Because whichever you choose, it is not going to make me feel better about Iran.

lunecat · #7 (**permalink**) 12-12-2007, 05:28 AM

We will know when Iran has a nuclear weapon as soon as they use it against the West! It's in the post .....

I believe Iran is laughing their heads off at the public announcment of this CIA report - I doubt its a double bluff by the US - this report should have been kept "in-house"

Truth-Bringer · #8 (**permalink**) 12-12-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nonsqtr";p=&quot

Oh wait, let's see.... these are the same people that told us Iraq had WMD, right?

Yes, we were almost lied into war again - as this article fully explains.

DuH2 · #9 (**permalink**) 12-12-2007, 02:43 PM

PEACE IN OUR TIME!

Based on one piece of paper that when Actually read doesn't even say anythign as firmly as thse using it claim it does.

Chamberlain may have been foolish but at least he wasn't a (*)(*)(*)(*) fool!

Besides its kinds pointless for many of you to even bother pointing to any reports. Doesn't matter at all.

(BTW your heroin addicts article deserves to be where it is...

)

DuH2 · #10 (**permalink**) 12-12-2007, 03:07 PM

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'Danger of war' exists with Iran: Sarkozy
Dec 12 12:01 PM US/Eastern

French President Nicolas Sarkozy warned of a risk of a war with Iran if Israel considered its security seriously threatened by Tehran's nuclear drive in a magazine interview to be published Thursday.
Sarkozy also said he was ready to travel to Tehran to discuss a civilian nuclear partnership if the country steps up its cooperation with the UN atomic watchdog.

"The problem for us is not so much the risk that the Americans launch a military intervention, but that the Israelis consider their security to be truly threatened," Sarkozy told Le Nouvel Observateur.

"Everyone agrees on the fact that what the Iranians are doing has no civilian explanation," Sarkozy said, referring to Tehran's uranium enrichment work. "The only debate is about whether they will develop a military capacity in one or five years."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

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Dec 12, 2007 20:34 | Updated Dec 13, 2007 0:39
'Iran tested new missile during summit'

Iran tested a newly-developed ballistic missile on the day of the Annapolis conference, Channel 10 reported Wednesday.

The Ashoura missile has a range of 2,000 kilometers and is capable of reaching Israel, US Army bases in the Middle East and eastern European cities, including Moscow, said the TV channel.

According to the report, the new missile is an improvement on the existing Shihab-3 missile. The Ashoura uses solid fuel instead of the Shihab's liquid fuel, giving it a significantly faster launch sequence which is harder to detect.

Iranian Defense Minister Gen. Mostafa Muhammad-Najjar had announced the development of the new missile on the day of the summit, but had not specified whether it had actually been tested.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

Yep Peace&Love....

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