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CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- President Hugo Chavez on Friday accused neighboring Colombia and the United States of plotting a military "aggression" against Venezuela.

"I accuse the government of Colombia of devising a conspiracy, acting as a pawn of the U.S. empire, of devising a military provocation against Venezuela," Chavez said.

"A military aggression is being prepared from Colombia against Venezuela," Chavez said, linking the U.S. to the alleged plot. He claimed that Washington aims to "oblige us to respond, and later a war could be set off."
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Seems much much more likely to be a cover story for his giving more overt aid to rebels in Colombia then anything else.



This way he can claim the USA and Colombia are plotting to attack so his aid to the guerillas is just defensive...and many a wanna be communist/leftist/US hater will buy it.

It also can be used to say see they are after us and only Benevolant Benito..err Hugo can save us!
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Is there any evidence?
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Does it matter if there is or not?

Il Duce says so..therefore it is.

Maybe he'll send in the Dukaki!
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the article-
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He cited intelligence reports but did not offer evidence to support his claim.
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DuH2 as the US did have a little plot going against Chavez and the US did back an anti Chavez movement in Venezuela, it appears that Chavez does have more veracity than the US on the subject of US plots.

US plots in the South Americas are a fairly frequent occurrence. In fact it is not unknown for the US to use money set aside by congress for South American adventures, ask Olly North about that one.
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Well I suppose if you just assume he has it because he says he has it.

I guess if Bush wore a left mustache?
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And what is the US track record of plots in the South Americas????

Allegations of US involvement surrounded the failed 2002 attempt to oust Venezeula's President Hugo Chavez. The US denied any involvement but Mr Chavez claimed they financially backed the plotters. Greg Palast went to Caracas.
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Operation Condor

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010306/

School of the Americas Fort Benning

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Iran Contra affair

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB210/index.htm

The US has a long track record of plots and carrying out terrorist activity in the South Americas.
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ashley is all about his sig...

"You believe what you want. I'll believe what I know."

He only knows left wing politics. Greg Palast is his god dujour.
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Default ad Hominem SF, what next? Maybe an answer?

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ashley is all about his sig...

"You believe what you want. I'll believe what I know."

He only knows left wing politics. Greg Palast is his god dujour.
And you think that you show no left or right wing bias, no authoritarian anarchic leanings SF????

PS I've never read anything by Greg Palast, but I'm I will now that you have so highly recommended him. Thank you SF, Democracy and Regulation looks quite entertaining.

But you ad Hominem doesn't really get around to answering the substance of the posting about US proven track record in plotting in the South Americas. Do you have any other entertaining ways of diverting attention from the substance or will you answer?
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IOW if Bush just wore a left mustache...
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