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My apologies if this is a duplicate thread. I couldn't find anything.

Detainee's Harsh Treatment Foiled No Plots



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When CIA officials subjected their first high-value captive, Abu Zubaida, to waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods, they were convinced that they had in their custody an al-Qaeda leader who knew details of operations yet to be unleashed, and they were facing increasing pressure from the White House to get those secrets out of him.

The methods succeeded in breaking him, and the stories he told of al-Qaeda terrorism plots sent CIA officers around the globe chasing leads.

In the end, though, not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of Abu Zubaida's tortured confessions, according to former senior government officials who closely followed the interrogations. Nearly all of the leads attained through the harsh measures quickly evaporated, while most of the useful information from Abu Zubaida -- chiefly names of al-Qaeda members and associates -- was obtained before waterboarding was introduced, they said.

Moreover, within weeks of his capture, U.S. officials had gained evidence that made clear they had misjudged Abu Zubaida. President George W. Bush had publicly described him as "al-Qaeda's chief of operations," and other top officials called him a "trusted associate" of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and a major figure in the planning of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. None of that was accurate, the new evidence showed.
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So, just how effective are aggressive interrogation measures? I suppose the thought had always been that pain would result in accurate intel. I didn't much agree with this logic, and some information to support it (like this story) makes for a good discussion on the effectiveness. Your thoughts?
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I read somewhere that even the Gestapo came to recognize that a person subjected to questioning under torture is as likely to tell his interregator what he think that person wants to hear rather than revealing any useful infromation.
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He was just trained well to resist. Try drugs, he'll spill his beans sooner or later.
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if they want to know what he knows they will have to also torture his wife, kids, parents and siblings ... and that assumes the terrorist has any feelings for them ... which should not be a given

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The eaisest way to get a terrorist to talk is drugs.
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How do you know that the leads that we do follow won't lead to justice as well? Are we killing innocents because of false leads, or just killing different terrorists?
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The eaisest way to get a terrorist to talk is drugs.
What drugs guarantee that the information derived from their administration will be accurate?
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What drugs guarantee that the information derived from their administration will be accurate?
Veritaserum, of course!
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How do you know that the leads that we do follow won't lead to justice as well? Are we killing innocents because of false leads, or just killing different terrorists?
If you kill someone during interrogation your doing it wrong; especially Waterboarding.!
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If you kill someone during interrogation your doing it wrong; especially Waterboarding.!
I am not talking about killing the interrogated. I am not entirely against killing the interrogated, but that is not what I am talking about right now.
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