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Old 09-18-2009, 01:23 PM
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If the CIA have nothing to hide then why ask for it to be closed. I think they should go a head with it.
The CIA has plenty to hide; they are in INTELL agency. "Secret" is their business. Duh...
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If the CIA hasn't done anything illegal, then they shouldn't have anything to fear.

Isn't that the same argument you Rightists use about warrantless wiretapping?
The problem is what is "legal" keeps changing. The CIA acted to the best of their knowledge, in a legal manner.
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The CIA has plenty to hide; they are in INTELL agency. "Secret" is their business. Duh...
Intell........ yes right..very funny that.
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If the CIA hasn't done anything illegal, then they shouldn't have anything to fear.
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The problem is what is "legal" keeps changing. The CIA acted to the best of their knowledge, in a legal manner.
Which is why tenured officials within the agency quit out of protest? Huh?
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If the CIA hasn't done anything illegal, then they shouldn't have anything to fear.

Isn't that the same argument you Rightists use about warrantless wiretapping?
This is completely different. The matter of national security is on opposite sides here.

Libs say that warrantless wiretapping is wrong, but we do it as a matter of national security. Investigating the CIA is wrong because it interferes with our security. Is anything in the name of "national security" acceptable? Not necessarily. You have a stronger case for the wiretapping, but not even close with this investigation.

The biggest fear is not that they will find illegal activities, but that the "investigation" will expose secrets that could really hurt us. Stuff won't just come out about the illegal activity, but about all the context of perfectly legal stuff surrounding it.
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I gotta be honest here. I'm torn over how to feel about this. Thoughts?
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What is important, and the ONLY thing which is important, is "Did the interrogators break the law." That question cannot be answered without an investigation. And, if the law is found to have been broken, those responsible should be brought to account, whether they be "career prosecutors," "political appointees," or elected officials. Otherwise our Constitution, our laws, and our posture that we are a nation of laws is worth nothing.
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The problem is what is "legal" keeps changing. The CIA acted to the best of their knowledge, in a legal manner.
That's a false claim. The Constitution of the United States prohibits the enactment of ex post facto laws. That means that a person can be tried ONLY under the laws that were in effect at the time of the offense.

Besides, things like illegal arrests and torturing prisoners to make them talk have been illegal since the adoption of the Constitution and the formation of the government in April, 1789. I doubt that any proposed investigation will look back any father than that.
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I gotta be honest here. I'm torn over how to feel about this. Thoughts?
I think those 7 are right-on and that this political move by Holder should have never begun.
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Looks like Deadeye Dick called in some favors, either that or some CYA is going on!
Except that some of the 7 were under Democrat administrations.
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