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Old 06-02-2008, 08:24 AM
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Hi, I'm the newest member. I live in Seattle, where I'm very politically active. In fact, I'm even running for public office, using my campaign to attack Bill Gates in his home town. I'm also using my campaign in part to support Hugo Chavez. Since Seattle has no political pulse, I'm desperately trying to tap into the energy generated by the Chavistas.

Where I fall on the political spectrum is a little hard to say. Most people would call me a liberal, or even a left-wing radical. However, some liberals have called me a right-winger, partly because I'm not opposed to the death penalty. (If members of Bush's administration and Congress don't deserve the death penalty, then NO ONE does.)

But I've come to despise the world "liberal." Since 9/11, U.S. liberals have become synonymous with spinelessness and apathy. You could call me a socialist, in the broad sense of the term. I support a mixed economy, combining capitalism and socialism, with a greater emphasis on social welfare than corporate welfare.

I'm even attempting to create a new political party.

Anyway, I look forward to some stimulating discussions here.
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or even a left-wing radical.
Like I said, I promise I won't call you a liberal.

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I support a mixed economy, combining capitalism and socialism, with a greater emphasis on social welfare than corporate welfare.
You like discussion? Good, let's begin here.

You are supporting the continued use of the big government/welfare false dichotomy which believes that government has to give welfare to someone, and that because it is currently giving it to corporations, it should give it to the people. This is a false dichotomy because the government does not have to give welfare to anyone, and because the government should not give welfare to anyone. The government's purpose is to protect people's rights to life, liberty, and property. Welfare given to anyone creates a horrendously corrupt government because the power that public officials are given allows them to take from the welfare pool.

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(If members of Bush's administration and Congress don't deserve the death penalty, then NO ONE does.)
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Is this a threat?
If I say an individual deserves to spend a year in prison for driving while intoxicated, am I making a threat? No, I'm stating an opinion.

For the record, I'm a passionate believer in accountability and justice. I believe that government officials and corporate executives should be required to follow the same laws as the rest of us.
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You like discussion? Good, let's begin here.

You are supporting the continued use of the big government/welfare false dichotomy which believes that government has to give welfare to someone, and that because it is currently giving it to corporations, it should give it to the people.
No society is perfect, and I believe a government can perform a useful function by helping to smooth inequities here and there. Of course, it can't be done perfectly, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done at all.

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This is a false dichotomy because the government does not have to give welfare to anyone, and because the government should not give welfare to anyone.
Ideally, governments should represent the people, therefore, it's up to the people to decide whether or not the government should give "welfare" to anyone.

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The government's purpose is to protect people's rights to life, liberty, and property. Welfare given to anyone creates a horrendously corrupt government because the power that public officials are given allows them to take from the welfare pool.
Yes, "welfare" can be a corrupting influence, but would a government that disavowed welfare really be immune from corruption?

And, again, a government's purpose should be defined by the people that government represents. I think most people around the world cherish life, liberty and property (not to mention happiness), but people have different ideas about how to best achieve them.

Many, if not most, civilized nations have some form of "socialized" health care. In the U.S., the health care industry has been privatized - and the results are plain to see. It's a disaster.

If I could be president for a day, I'd nationalize the energy industry and offer free health care. The rich and powerful would howl and moan, but the vast majority of citizens would be far better off.
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No society is perfect, and I believe a government can perform a useful function by helping to smooth inequities here and there. Of course, it can't be done perfectly, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done at all.
To smooth inequities? Elaborate on exactly what you intended by that statement.

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Ideally, governments should represent the people, therefore, it's up to the people to decide whether or not the government should give "welfare" to anyone.
Ah, but should the "people" decided on whether you should have all your money taken away, whether or not you should be enslaved, or whether or not you should be put to death for no reason. Is there any limit to what the "people" can do?

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Yes, "welfare" can be a corrupting influence, but would a government that disavowed welfare really be immune from corruption?
Simple, they wouldn't be handling all of that money.

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And, again, a government's purpose should be defined by the people that government represents. I think most people around the world cherish life, liberty and property (not to mention happiness), but people have different ideas about how to best achieve them.
Here's an idea on how to achieve life, liberty, and property rights. You form a government, run by the people, with the sole intent of protecting those rights.

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Many, if not most, civilized nations have some form of "socialized" health care. In the U.S., the health care industry has been privatized - and the results are plain to see. It's a disaster.
You obviously don't know how most socialized health care systems are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Cuba
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_medicine
And here's a real horror story for anyone who thinks the British system is better.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/07/wo...777&ei=5087%0A


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If I could be president for a day, I'd nationalize the energy industry and offer free health care. The rich and powerful would howl and moan, but the vast majority of citizens would be far better off.
If you are going to disrespect natural rights, why don't you enslave African-Americans so that the vast majority of citizens would be far better off?
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Hi, I'm the newest member. I live in Seattle, where I'm very politically active. In fact, I'm even running for public office, using my campaign to attack Bill Gates in his home town. I'm also using my campaign in part to support Hugo Chavez. Since Seattle has no political pulse, I'm desperately trying to tap into the energy generated by the Chavistas.

Where I fall on the political spectrum is a little hard to say. Most people would call me a liberal, or even a left-wing radical. However, some liberals have called me a right-winger, partly because I'm not opposed to the death penalty. (If members of Bush's administration and Congress don't deserve the death penalty, then NO ONE does.)

But I've come to despise the world "liberal." Since 9/11, U.S. liberals have become synonymous with spinelessness and apathy. You could call me a socialist, in the broad sense of the term. I support a mixed economy, combining capitalism and socialism, with a greater emphasis on social welfare than corporate welfare.

I'm even attempting to create a new political party.

Anyway, I look forward to some stimulating discussions here.
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