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Old 07-24-2004, 03:58 PM
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Default Labor Legislation In Progress/New Labor Rules Effective Aug.

A study from the Economic Policy Institute projects about 6 million workers will stand to lose their right to overtime pay beginning Aug. 23, when the Bush Fair Labor Standards Act rule changes take effect. The administration went forward with the new rules regardless of widespread concern over its impact by both Republicans and Democrats alike.

Earlier in the year, a numbor of legislators made an attempt to head this off at the pass, however--more information about all this HERE.

Overtime, block Department of Labor proposed regulations on overtime pay ( SEE ALSO: Comp time, Hot Documents )

House bills:
H.R.2665, H.A.220 to H.R.2660 (H.A.220 appears to have been stricken)

Senate bills:
S.A.3107 (amendment) to S.1637

Senate bill 1637 (Jumpstart Our Business Strength (JOBS) Act ) is proposed to comply with WTO rulings on labor. Sponsored by Sen Grassley, Charles E. with 8 co-sponsors:
Sen Baucus, Max [MT] - 9/18/2003
Sen Cantwell, Maria [WA] - 10/21/2003
Sen Chafee, Lincoln D. [RI] - 10/22/2003
Sen Daschle, Thomas A. [SD] - 9/29/2003
Sen Graham, Bob [FL] - 9/22/2003 Sen Hatch, Orrin G. [UT] - 9/18/2003
Sen Murray, Patty [WA] - 9/29/2003 Sen Smith, Gordon [OR] - 9/24/2003
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] - 9/30/2003(withdrawn - 10/15/2003)

This is the main body of the bill itself--I highlighted Cantwell's name as well as Kerry's because she's the person who submitted the infamous Amendment 3114, the Unemployment Extension Amendment, that Kerry infamously failed to show up to vote on.

Now as for Senate Amendment 3107.....
"To amend the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to clarify provisions relating to overtime pay."

Sponsored by Sen Harkin, Tom [IA] with 29 co-sponsors:

Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA] - 5/3/2004
Sen Akaka, Daniel K. [HI] - 5/3/2004
Sen Bingaman, Jeff [NM] - 5/3/2004
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA] - 5/3/2004
Sen Byrd, Robert C. [WV] - 5/3/2004
Sen Cantwell, Maria [WA] - 5/3/2004
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] - 5/3/2004
Sen Corzine, Jon [NJ] - 5/3/2004
Sen Daschle, Thomas A. [SD] - 5/3/2004
Sen Dayton, Mark [MN] - 5/3/2004
Sen Durbin, Richard J. [IL] - 5/3/2004
Sen Edwards, John [NC] - 5/3/2004
Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI] - 5/3/2004
Sen Graham, Bob [FL] - 5/3/2004
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] - 5/3/2004
Sen Kohl, Herb [WI] - 5/3/2004
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ] - 5/3/2004
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT] - 5/3/2004
Sen Levin, Carl [MI] - 5/3/2004
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD] - 5/3/2004
Sen Murray, Patty [WA] - 5/3/2004
Sen Nelson, Bill [FL] - 5/3/2004
Sen Pryor, Mark Lunsford [AR] - 5/3/2004
Sen Reed, John F. [RI] - 5/3/2004
Sen Reid, Harry M. [NV] - 5/3/2004
Sen Rockefeller, Jay [WV] - 5/3/2004
Sen Sarbanes, Paul S. [MD] - 5/3/2004
Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] - 5/3/2004
Sen Stabenow, Debbie [MI] - 5/3/2004

Amendment passed 52 - 47, one not voting. Kerry did not vote & Edwards, Yea.

A snippet from the text of the Amendment as proposed:
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SEC. __. PROTECTION OF OVERTIME PAY.

Section 13 of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (29 U.S.C. 213) is amended by adding at the end the following:

``(k) Notwithstanding the provisions of subchapter II of chapter 5 and chapter 7 of title 5, United States Code (commonly referred to as the Administrative Procedures Act) or any other provision of law, any portion of the final rule promulgated on April 23, 2004, revising part 541 of title 29, Code of Federal Regulations, that exempts from the overtime pay provisions of section 7 any employee who would not otherwise be exempt if the regulations in effect on March 31, 2003 remained in effect, shall have no force or effect and that portion of such regulations (as in effect on March 31, 2003) that would prevent such employee from being exempt shall remain in effect. Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, the increased salary requirements provided for in such final rule at section 541.600 of such title 29, shall remain in effect.''.
...so, you see, there's hope.
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Default Overtime Pay Hurts People

This is my issue more than other, it's why I got into politics and why I became a Conservative.

I'll convince you why overtime pay going away would be the best thing ever. You probably know some of these pieces already:

I worked at McDonald's full time for minimum wage when I was eighteen in 1994. I worked 40 hours and wanted more but they wouldn't let me because they said they would have to pay me overtime.

One day, I decided to talk to the store manager personally and I said "Look, I want to work more than 40 hours, I know you could use the help and I also know you won't because you would have to pay me overtime. So here's a good deal, I will work more than 40 hours for regular pay, you don't have to pay me overtime because if that's the only way to get more hours than that's fine".
He said "I'd love too, it sounds fine to me, the problem is that legally I can't". I tried to convince him that I wouldn't tell anyone, but he wouldn't budge.

So I called my (Democrat) congressman's office and explained my situation, (remember this was before I even cared about politics), his assistant's response was that this law is to 'protect me from abuse'. I was like 'Did you listen to anything I said, I'm not being abused, I want to work more hours for minimum wage, my employer wants me, we both benefit, so what's wrong with getting rid of this law?'
His response floored me, maybe because he couldn't think of anything else he said, "Well, then this law helps others get a job, because that way you are limited to regular hours so there are more hours for others." I told him that "I work at McDonald's, we're always hiring, people just don't want to take the job, if nobody wants it then there is no harm in me working more hours because I wan't to get ahead, is there?"
He just argued and eventually I hung up and said I'm going to do something about this. That's what started me on the Republican party, I pushed this issue like anything. I didn't really know what Republicans were, it's just they were not the party of the Democrat guy who I'd argued with. Anyway, the Republicans listened, I always brought the issue up, to this day I bring it up when I write to them.

Anyway, a year later I quit McDonald's and worked for a pizzeria (minimum wage again), but this time I got to know the owner and we made a mutual agreement that I could work 65 hours a week with no overtime pay.
With those extra hours I saved up and paid my own way through part-time computer college. I had no government help and didn't want it.
Now I have a good job, but I will never forget that there are others who are like me who want to work more hours but can't because some Liberals decided to put in this law to 'protect' workers. I welcome the complete obliteration of this law that holds back those who want to work harder and allows America to become more of a nation of what it truly is by character. A nation where if you want to work hard to get ahead, you are completely free to do so. To me this is the most important right of all.

That's is why this law is wrong, that is why it must go.
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You could always do that under the old laws, working more than one part-time job. Sweet deal as long as you're still single and working your way thru college while bumming off of your parents, too.

Doesn't work for people with families, so how about getting real, ey?
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You could always do that under the old laws, working more than one part-time job.
It is possible, but there are scheduling conflicts, have you worked minimum wage type jobs before? You're hours are not always set, plus I didn't have a car, so it's not as convenient as you make it sounds, plus a lot of employers are not thrilled about you working 2 different places (especially if it's the competition).
The whole point here is there is no reason I should not have been allowed to work more than 40 hours for regular wage, yet that law held me back by forcing my employer to pay time and a half which they would never do. Why should my freedom to work be thrown out by some people who think they're helping people but aren't?

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Sweet deal as long as you're still single and working your way thru college while bumming off of your parents, too.
Doesn't work for people with families, so how about getting real, ey?
Bumming off my parents? HAHAHAHAHAHA. I left my house when I was 18 to live in the (*)(*)(*)(*)tiest rathole of an apartment you would have ever seen and have not received a drop of help since... Sorry to burst your stereotype of the spoiled little Conservative.

It wasn't a sweet deal at all, it was long hours with all shifts starting at 5pm running until 2 am on Mon-Wed and until 3am from Thurs-Sat. The pizzeria was downtown and most of my customers late at night were either drunks, partying college students calling me 'pizza boy' and other 'interesting' characters. What exactly was sweet about it?

Now as for your comment of people with families, well if the mother is at home and the father can only work 40 hours (because nobody wants to pay overtime), then this law is even worse, because now it is not just holding back an individual who wants to move up, it is holding back an entire family that wants to work harder and move ahead in life.
A horrible, horrible law...
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