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  1. Icon14 Army Chief Tantawy admits Mubarak ordered Army to kill protesters.

    Mubarak and both sons will stand trial for murdering unarmed civilians.
    This has been announced.

    I think they must be pretty sure they can get a conviction because Field Marshal Tantawy wouldn't have said what he said on the Police Academy Graduation Day last week.

    The penalty will be death by hanging.

    No wonder the Saudis are hassling our prosecutor to hand him over to them. To send him to Saudi to escape justice.
    They are creating a huge amount of problems here interfering in our affairs and I wish they would mind their own business.


    Tantawy confirmed what we all guessed and heard on that last day when the jets flew over Tahrir and the army put down their weapons and took off their uniforms.
    That moment when all the world was watching as the jets roared over our heads.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH3YJrJN5Vk"]YouTube - ‫كلمة المشير طنطاوي - تخريج كلية الشرطة 2011‬‎[/ame]

    Mubarak gave the order to the army to open fire on the Egyptian people. An official testimony.

    Our own army chief has confirmed it.

    No doubt he will hang for treason and killing protesters. Him and his sons and Al Adley.

    Saudi you can have their corpses and bury them at sea if you like like last time.


    Well done Field Marshal Tantawy for speaking live on air and telling the world what orders you received that day.
    God bless every soldier and his commander of the moral Egyptian Army who refused to take that order.
    The Egyptian Army and the Egyptian People----------One Hand!
    Last edited by Abu Sina; May 25 2011 at 05:26 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Sina View Post
    Mubarak and both sons will stand trial for murdering unarmed civilians.
    This has been announced.

    I think they must be pretty sure they can get a conviction because Field Marshal Tantawy wouldn't have said what he said on the Police Academy Graduation Day last week.

    The penalty will be death by hanging.

    No wonder the Saudis are hassling our prosecutor to hand him over to them. To send him to Saudi to escape justice.
    They are creating a huge amount of problems here interfering in our affairs and I wish they would mind their own business.


    Tantawy confirmed what we all guessed and heard on that last day when the jets flew over Tahrir and the army put down their weapons and took off their uniforms.
    That moment when all the world was watching as the jets roared over our heads.

    YouTube - ‫كلمة المشير طنطاوي - تخريج كلية الشرطة 2011‬‎

    Mubarak gave the order to the army to open fire on the Egyptian people. An official testimony.

    Our own army chief has confirmed it.

    No doubt he will hang for treason and killing protesters. Him and his sons and Al Adley.

    Saudi you can have their corpses and bury them at sea if you like like last time.


    Well done Field Marshal Tantawy for speaking live on air and telling the world what orders you received that day.
    God bless every soldier and his commander of the moral Egyptian Army who refused to take that order.
    The Egyptian Army and the Egyptian People----------One Hand!

    Soliman said the same thing. I think both of these men- long standing comrades and appointees of the former President are protecting themselves.
    Now i understand why the President was so reluctant to appoint a vice president.

    Some of us don't trust anyone in either the present government or the former one. I think you have a real revolution on your hands now and it has now passed the Kerensky phase and morphed into the Trostky phase.

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    I was right- again. Misinformation abounds in this new corrupt free country-- ha ha.


    l-Masry Al-Youm has obtained files from the current investigation into former president Hosni Mubarak and his sons Alaa and Gamal. The three, along with businessman Hussein Salem - who remains at large - are alleged to be implicated in killing protesters, squandering public money and exporting gas to Israel at a discount.

    In questioning, Mubarak said he knew only that policemen and thugs were killed when thugs attempted to break into police stations. He said his source of knowledge was the reports of former interior minister Habib al-Adly.

    When asked if he followed televised news during the revolution, Mubarak said he just followed news agencies, which according to him only reported the deaths of police and thugs. Mubarak said he met with Adly and several officials on 25 January, and he asked Adly to exercise self-control in dealing with the protests and to inform him of developments as they happened.

    In response to an accusation that he was given a villa by Salem in exchange for allocating him pieces of land, Mubarak said he purchased the villa with his own money, paying LE500,000. But investigations show that its real value at the time was LE24.5 million, according to an expert from the Ministry of Justice.

    Sources said Mubarak broke into tears three times during questioning, and the sessions were paused so he could recover.

    Although media reports claimed that Omar Suleiman, former intelligence chief and vice president, said Mubarak was aware of the shootings and could have given orders to stop them, the investigation files seem to show this to be false.

    According to the results of the investigation so far, Suleiman said Mubarak gave instructions to Adly to exercise self-control and not use violence against protesters. Suleiman added that if Mubarak had known of the excesses that actually took place, he would have not approved.

    Suleiman added that Mubarak left the Interior Ministry to deal with protesters, and when Adly suggested cutting off communications - including the internet - to reduce the size of protests Mubarak did not reject the suggestion.

    Investigations have also revealed that there are no recordings nor is there correspondence exist that could indict Mubarak, contrary to media reports.

    The questioning of Alaa and Gamal was carried out at Tora prison. They both denied the charges brought against them.

    Translated from the Arabic Edition

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    Mayerling you were the supporter of Meghrabi saying he was innocent and a scapegoat when Ezz, Meghrabi, Adly, Garrana were arrested when I was talking here about Palm Hills scandal and Meghrabi.


    Meghrabi the housing minister who just got 5 years.

    Do you still think these guys are innocent?

    CAIRO - Seizing State-owned lands were rife in the Mubarak regime, say opponents of the ousted regime. Several former ministers, businessmen and other allies of the regime acquired vast areas of land in wonderful locations for a pittance.

    Dozens of huge plots of land were obtained by a certain class of people, who used their purchases commercially, mostly for constructing luxury housing.
    Corruption is the key word here; land was sold very cheaply or even given for free to only a few people who soon sold it for an enormous profit. Plots of land could often be left for a few months, then flogged for a 'tremendous' price.
    Getting one's hands on as many vast plots of land as possible was the main concern of these people, many of whom are now behind bars, paying for their corruption.
    The defunct regime helped a handful of its favourites to create their comfy resorts and villas at a time when the majority of Egyptians were suffering poverty, unemployment and misery.
    These 'symbols of corruption' lived in spacious palaces and lush resorts at the expense of millions of citizens. Thanks to the January 25 revolution, the list of the corrupt elite is gradually unfolding.


    A striking example is that of Mahmoud el-Gammal father-in-law of Gamal Mubarak, elder son of the toppled president who bought, or rather was 'awarded', 700 feddans on the Cairo-Alexandria Desert Road. He was meant to reclaim 93 per cent of the total area and build on the remaining 7 per cent.

    But the man, relying on the influence of his in-laws, turned the whole area into resorts. In 2005, El-Reef el-Orobi (European Countryside) for Agricultural Development bought 2,005 feddans (acres) for LE5,000 (about $840) per acre. The company later sold part of the plot for LE150,000 an acre.

    Again the new owner, an affiliate of the famous Palm Hills company involved in wide-scale corruption, violated the conditions of the original contract with the State and used the area it bought for real estate investment, according to the daily Al-Ahrar.


    El-Suleimaniya, a luxury compound on the Cairo-Alexandria Desert Road is another example of using large areas of land allocated by the State for reclamation for the construction of villas and houses instead.

    Forget the poor and all the talk about agricultural development!

    There were also shocking land steals on Egypt's North Coast, to the delight of the corrupt, ruling elite.

    About 7 million square metres of land in el-Alamein, in the northwest of the country, was illegally sold to some businessmen members of the Palm Hills company.

    They included el-Gammal, former Minister of Housing Ahmed el-Maghrabi (currently in prison) and a number of business tycoons. Al-Ahrar reported that the State lost up to LE20 billion in the deal.


    In the eastern part of the country, namely Sinai, former Prime Minister Ahmed Nazif insisted on selling 30 million square metres to Dubai property developer Damac, for only $1 a square metre, even though the area has potential oil reserves and is unsuitable for tourist projects.


    According to Al-Ahrar, Damac Chairman and owner, Hussein Sajwani, said that he would launch projects worth $120 billion, which encouraged the Government to offer him more plots of land in New Cairo and on the North Coast. But the UAE business tycoon has done nothing.

    Recently, Damac said it had filed an international arbitration case against Egypt over a land dispute and the conviction of Sajwani.

    A Cairo sentenced Sajwani, in absentia, to jail and ordered him to pay a $40.5 million fine in connection with his 2006 purchase of land in Egypt's Red Sea resort of Gamsha Bay, near Hurghada.

    Meanwhile, el-Maghrabi gave 25 million square metres in the Red Sea Governorate for only $1 per square metre to Orascom Hotels and Develpment.


    Al-Ahrar's report said such land acquisition began in the mid-1990s, when businessman Ahmed Bahgat obtained 600 feddans in the new 6th October City.

    Later, former Minister of Housing Mohamed Ibrahim Soliman was very generous with Bahgat, who soon owned about 2,000 feddans of land there.

    In 2002, the Egypt Kuwait Holding Company (EKH) was given 26,000 feddans in the desert near el-Ayyat, about 30 miles south of Cairo, for the purpose of reclamation, for LE50 per feddan (acre).
    Later, the company sold the land to Kuwaiti individuals and firms for real estate purposes, making enormous profits. Finally, the contract was cancelled since the EKH violated it because it stipulated the land be used for reclamation purposes.
    http://213.158.162.45/~egyptian/inde...is%20the%20key
    "The Nazis made me afraid to be a Jew, and the Israelis make me ashamed to be a Jew."

    Israel Shahak
    Nazi concentration camp survivor

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    Well I certainly hope when teh Muslim Brotherhood is out committing acts of wholesale murder on Coptic Protesters after they take power you'll condemn them with equal veracity.
    Last edited by SiliconMagician; May 29 2011 at 01:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayerling View Post
    I was right- again. Misinformation abounds in this new corrupt free country-- ha ha.


    l-Masry Al-Youm has obtained files from the current investigation into former president Hosni Mubarak and his sons Alaa and Gamal. The three, along with businessman Hussein Salem - who remains at large - are alleged to be implicated in killing protesters, squandering public money and exporting gas to Israel at a discount.

    In questioning, Mubarak said he knew only that policemen and thugs were killed when thugs attempted to break into police stations. He said his source of knowledge was the reports of former interior minister Habib al-Adly.

    When asked if he followed televised news during the revolution, Mubarak said he just followed news agencies, which according to him only reported the deaths of police and thugs. Mubarak said he met with Adly and several officials on 25 January, and he asked Adly to exercise self-control in dealing with the protests and to inform him of developments as they happened.

    In response to an accusation that he was given a villa by Salem in exchange for allocating him pieces of land, Mubarak said he purchased the villa with his own money, paying LE500,000. But investigations show that its real value at the time was LE24.5 million, according to an expert from the Ministry of Justice.

    Sources said Mubarak broke into tears three times during questioning, and the sessions were paused so he could recover.

    Although media reports claimed that Omar Suleiman, former intelligence chief and vice president, said Mubarak was aware of the shootings and could have given orders to stop them, the investigation files seem to show this to be false.

    According to the results of the investigation so far, Suleiman said Mubarak gave instructions to Adly to exercise self-control and not use violence against protesters. Suleiman added that if Mubarak had known of the excesses that actually took place, he would have not approved.

    Suleiman added that Mubarak left the Interior Ministry to deal with protesters, and when Adly suggested cutting off communications - including the internet - to reduce the size of protests Mubarak did not reject the suggestion.

    Investigations have also revealed that there are no recordings nor is there correspondence exist that could indict Mubarak, contrary to media reports.

    The questioning of Alaa and Gamal was carried out at Tora prison. They both denied the charges brought against them.

    Translated from the Arabic Edition


    Field Marshal Tantawy signed Mubaraks death warrant the moment he said live on TV that Mubarak gave the order to the army to open fire in Tahrir.

    The day we all saw the jets fly over Tahrir and the soldiers put down their guns after hearing that command from Mubarak.

    There are recordings so the article is wrong.

    The whole of Egypt heard him say it live on TV. You must be the only one who missed it or doesn't know about it.
    Last edited by Abu Sina; May 29 2011 at 01:15 AM.
    "The Nazis made me afraid to be a Jew, and the Israelis make me ashamed to be a Jew."

    Israel Shahak
    Nazi concentration camp survivor

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiliconMagician View Post
    Well I certainly hope when teh Muslim Brotherhood is out committing acts of wholesale murder on Coptic Protesters after they take power you'll condemn them with equal veracity.
    The salafists you mean?

    Why do you say Brotherhood when they were salafists?

    The Saudi Wahabi US supported Salafists who went to Imbaba churches.
    "The Nazis made me afraid to be a Jew, and the Israelis make me ashamed to be a Jew."

    Israel Shahak
    Nazi concentration camp survivor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Sina View Post
    Mayerling you were the supporter of Meghrabi saying he was innocent and a scapegoat when Ezz, Meghrabi, Adly, Garrana were arrested when I was talking here about Palm Hills scandal and Meghrabi.


    Meghrabi the housing minister who just got 5 years.

    Do you still think these guys are innocent?

    http://213.158.162.45/~egyptian/inde...is%20the%20key
    Yes, I do. This case was investigated last summer. I believe the regime in place just as much as you believe in the previous one.
    I believe that Ahmed Maghraby is innocent

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    Very nice to see the new emerging Arab World dishing out some justice. I hope the conflicts within their country will do things rationally, and don’t tie the USA to any of their frustrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Sina View Post
    The salafists you mean?

    Why do you say Brotherhood when they were salafists?

    The Saudi Wahabi US supported Salafists who went to Imbaba churches.
    Because the brotherhood ARE salafists.

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