Thread: Palestinian statehood bid .

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

Israel and the US will NEVER accept peace. Rejection of the Palestinians' right to self determination is a case in point.

Your statement is exactly backwards. Peace is the USA's and Israel's default state of being. Only when an outside stimuli such as radical Muslim nuts flying thousand ton bombs into buildings full of men women and children intentionally slaughtering thousands of then dance gleefully in the street to celebrate the extent of damage and the number of innocent non combatants murdered that the USA enacts military reprisals. Likewise, when speaking of our beloved ally Israel, when a multitude of enemy nations build up threatening massive military formations on her borders after a years of taunts and terrorist actions and the blockade of a national lifeline does Israel resort to military action causing ’non-peace’. (ha ha…my word with a self explanatory meaning)

So likewise in the middle east a 'non-peace' is created when Hamas begins rocketing Israel, and protesters began breaking Israeli law in Israel is non-peace status achieved. When non-peace is created by a non-people with a non-homeland attempting to extort goods money and or services from a sovereign nation one can hardly blame the owner of the goods attempting to be extorted eh?

It’s not the victim that is causing the trouble it’s the gangster that is causing the trouble, including the violence if there is any. It should be obvious to anyone that in this analogy the UN is the Mafia, and the worldly nations that have been tricked to join in with the UN are its organizational captains made men and soldiers. Only in a strange world created by the radical Arab spin masters (I am guessing the ID of the spin masters) where the bad guys are the good guys does this PC world paradigm make sense. In the real world Israel and the USA are the GOOD GUYS, God help those of us that have been tricked into believing the anti Israel anti USA fantasy.

Rev A

Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo

I'll be sure to convey your opinion to the American people.

ok, you do that.

Originally Posted by RevAnarchist

Your statement is exactly backwards.

Not at all.

Originally Posted by RevAnarchist

Peace is the USA and Israel default state of being.

LOL Both current events and the historical record PROVE otherwise.

Originally Posted by RevAnarchist

Only when an outside stimuli such as radical Muslim nuts flying thousand ton bombs intentionally slaughter thousands of men women and children, then dance gleefully in the street to celebrate the extent of damage and the number of innocent non combatants murdered that the USA enacts military reprisals. Likewise, when speaking of our beloved ally Israel, when a multitude of enemy nations build up threatening massive military formations on her borders after a years of taunts and terrorist actions and the blockade of a national lifeline does Israel resort to military action causing ’non-peace’. (ha ha…my word with a self explanatory meaning)

Propaganda and nothing more.

Originally Posted by RevAnarchist

So likewise in the middle east a 'non-peace' is created when Hamas begins rocketing Israel, and protesters began breaking Israeli law in Israel is non-peace status achieved. When non-peace is created by a non-people with a non-homeland attempting to extort goods money and or services from a sovereign nation one can hardly blame the owner of the goods attempting to be extorted eh?

Israel has not stopped its own, usually unprovoked attacks on the Palestinians, not to mention its blockade AND illegal settlement expansion in the west bank.

Originally Posted by RevAnarchist

It’s not the victim that is causing the trouble it’s the gangster that is causing the trouble, including the violence if there is any. It should be obvious to anyone that in this analogy the UN is the Mafia, and the worldly nations that have been tricked to join in with the UN are its organizational captains made men and soldiers. Only in a strange world created by the radical Arab spin masters (I am guessing the ID of the spin masters) where the bad guys are the good guys does this PC world paradigm make sense. In the real world Israel and the USA are the GOOD GUYS,

No they are COMPLETELY IN THE WRONG.

Israel is in the wrong FAR MORE than ANYONE else at the present moment. They dont want peace, they only want TO EXPAND. This comes at the price of both the liberties of the Palestinians AND the security of their own people. I noticed Rev you ran away from our little debate on this very subject. Perhaps you should address that before fanning your ignorant propaganda else where..

I think it's time for the Palestinians to accept Chaz Bono as their legitimate leader. He's a leader the Palestinians can get behind.

Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo

I think it's time for the Palestinians to accept Chaz Bono as their legitimate leader. He's a leader the Palestinians can get behind.

Ismail Haniyeh has already been elected Prime Minister.

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

Ismail Haniyeh has already been elected Prime Minister.

His term of office expired. He's no longer legitimate. Chaz Bono is the right man for the Palestinians. He will sweep them off their feet.

Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo

His term of office expired.

When was that?

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

When was that?

http://www.agentschapnl.nl/onderwerp/palestina-politiek

Originally Posted by snakestretcher

Do you ever actually think? The rockets are being fired into Israel because of the situation as it currently exists. Change that and you remove any pretext for continuing resistance to Israeli occupation. Simple enough for you or do you think the Palestinians are shooting at Israel because they have nothing better to do on a wet Tuesday?

Originally Posted by zulu1

One might reasonably conclude that he is under the impression Palestinian's (as well as all those who resist occupation) are somehow pathologically pre-disposed to violence and killing.

No, no, no,! You two conveniently leave out a critical component of the critiqued members reply (due to my settings I can not be sure of which member but it could be myself…ha ha). The critical component is the other sides explanation of the story. For example what SnakeS. defines as Israeli occupation of so called ‘Palestine’ is in fact, a lie. Allow me to explain since this hasn’t been covered before <<<yes that is extreme sarcasm<<<; One more time, or as many time as it takes to hammer the following facts into rock hard, and/or brainwashed naive heads! Israel can not occupy, invade, or take control of a country that is a pure modern fabrication. Historically there has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine". In my opinion history will show that the notion of that a "Palestinian Arab nation" exists or has existed is one of the largest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! A distinct "Palestinian" culture or language does not and has not existed. Additionally, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history!

Historically there was no serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964 which was three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank [Judea and Samaria] and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six-Day War (which the Arabs provoked*). Guess what? If anyone was a "Palestinian" Yasser Arafat should have been one, no, he is EGYPTIAN!

All the above is pure unadulterated un-spun fact. I know the truth. However I only one question that remains unanswered. I have my educated guesses etc but I do wonder who is the mastermind behind all this and what do they seek to gain. Of course I know the people who are duped into believing they are Pals are driving much of the action, but there has to be something more going on behind the scenes.

Rev A

Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo

http://www.agentschapnl.nl/onderwerp/palestina-politiek

Nothing you have said shows his term expired. What it shows is that Fatah illegally disregarded the 2006 elections.