Thread: Israel and Hamas: changing the status quo

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Hamas has found itself in an increasingly strengthened position as more voices within the international community are recognizing the need to bring them into the political process even without its having to relinquish its avowed opposition to Israel’s existence. However, Hamas’ recent gains may be reaching an apex. First, the Hamas-Fatah unity agreement is in jeopardy today over Hamas’ refusal to support the Palestinian Authority’s bid for United Nations’ recognition of a Palestinian state as well as their opposition to keeping Salaam Fayyad as prime minster. A recent poll by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research indicated that 61 percent of Palestinians want “the new government of reconciliation to follow the peace policies and agendas of President Abbas and the PLO rather than Hamas.” And, since nearly 60 percent of the Palestinian public expects the unity agreement to succeed, Hamas risks being blamed for its failure



The status quo will not produce peace or security. If Israel wants peace with the Palestinians based on a two-state solution, now or in future, it simply cannot leave Gaza out of the equation. Likewise, even if a Palestinian unity agreement is reached, as long as Hamas refuses to accept Israel’s right to exist, Israel will not accept a Palestinian state that includes Hamas.

imagine that.................. October 17, 2011

and people still observing the exact same thing!!!!!!

DO Russians have a right to publish some of the 'Latest WORLD NEWS"?


What is different about this publication regarding the differences between the 2 parties of the conflict?

I see that the Palestinians are 'changing' and i see that GAZA is an important topic to be addressed within the dialogue.

Perhaps reparations for the victims of the zio-holocaust for the widows and children in gaza?

How many think jeruselem should be included in the argument?

Why or why not?

Granny says, "Looks like Israel gonna have to give Hamas another spankin'...

Hamas targets Tel Aviv as part of rocket barrage
Nov 15,`12 -- Palestinian militants targeted densely populated Tel Aviv in Israel's heartland with rockets for the first time Thursday, part of an unprecedented barrage that threatened to provoke an Israeli ground assault on Gaza. Three Israelis were killed.

Air raid sirens wailed and panicked residents ran for cover in Tel Aviv, Israel's commercial and cultural capital. Israel responded by moving troops and heavy weapons toward Gaza and authorizing the call-up of tens of thousands of reservists. There was no word on where the two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv landed, raising the possibility they fell into the Mediterranean. A third rocket landed in an open area on the southern outskirts of Tel Aviv.

The fighting, the heaviest in four years, came after Israel launched a ferocious air assault Wednesday to stop repeated rocket fire from Gaza. The powerful Hamas military chief was killed in that strike, and another 18 Palestinians have died over two days, including five children. Some 100 Palestinians have been wounded. Israeli warplanes struck dozens of Hamas-linked targets in Gaza on Thursday, sending loud booms echoing across the narrow Mediterranean coastal strip at regular intervals, followed by gray columns of smoke. After nightfall, several explosions shook Gaza City several minutes apart, a sign the strikes were not letting up, and the military said the targets were about 70 underground rocket-launching sites.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the army was hitting Hamas hard with what he called surgical strikes, and warned of a "significant widening" of the Gaza operation. Israel will "continue to take whatever action is necessary to defend our people," said Netanyahu, who is up for re-election in January. There were mounting signs of a ground operation. At least 12 trucks were seen transporting tanks and armored personnel carriers toward Gaza late Thursday, and a number of buses carrying soldiers arrived. Israeli TV stations said a Gaza incursion was expected on Friday, though military officials said no decision had been made.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak said he authorized the call-up of reservists, and the army said up to 30,000 additional troops could be drafted. "We will continue the attacks and we will increase the attacks, and I believe we will obtain our objectives," said Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz, Israel's military chief.

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Analysis: Israeli Gaza offensive looks to be brief
Nov 15,`12 -- The major operation Israel launched to stop Gaza rocket fire bears some striking similarities to a punishing three-week campaign it unleashed against Hamas militants four years ago.

Both began with a sudden series of airstrikes that caught Hamas off guard, included a threat to invade the coastal strip and came shortly after an American election and before an Israeli one. But the rules of the game have changed. That means Israel is now likely to carry out a briefer, more focused operation. A prolonged offensive appears riskier for Israel this time around. While Israel's missile defense systems are vastly improved, it is also facing a better armed Hamas that has missiles capable of reaching farther than ever into Israel. Also, Hamas has the key backing of the new Islamist government in Egypt, while a jittery Obama administration and a Europe suspicious of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu could give the Israelis little room for error.

Israel military officials say their goal is identical to four years ago - re-establishing its deterrence following a bout of rocket attacks from Gaza into southern Israel, and delivering a crippling blow to Hamas' missile capabilities. The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not allowed to discuss the strategy with the media, said one of Israel's two major concerns is avoiding large numbers of civilian casualties.

The last offensive involved a ground invasion of Gaza - something Israeli officials say they are prepared to repeat if necessary. But some 1,400 Palestinians were killed, including hundreds of civilians, sparking war crimes allegations. The other major concern, according to the officials, is preventing a fallout with Egypt that could damage the countries' peace accord. Under former President Hosni Mubarak, Egypt was instrumental in buffering Arab resistance to Israeli operations and it brokered several cease-fires between Israel and Hamas.

After Israel launched its current offensive Wednesday with more than 50 airstrikes in Gaza, killing Hamas' military commander, Egypt immediately lashed out at Israel, appealed for American invention and recalled its ambassador from Tel Aviv. "That's the major danger. Last time Egypt was with us," said Efraim Inbar, director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Israel's Bar-Ilan University. "The big question is what will happen if we go in (on the ground to Gaza). This will be a major test for Egypt."

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I say that as far as I can remember Israel and Palestine have been going at it, causing havoc, by extension, to my country.

I got no dog in their fight.

I do not sit around wishing harm to either nation. But if they want to kill each other to death, I will make myself a margarita and watch it go down on CNN.

Once in a while, i enjoy seeing the differences of how I felt 'past and present'


and on this subject,

i hate the bigots of israel for oppressing so many, for so long

Borders 67+Full Jerusalem.
they can take the rest of the occupied lands.....

Even though "Yehuda & Shomron" contains 300,000 jews that will have no home after that agreement, So israel wont make any some sort of deal before that issue is out of the way.

ohh and by the way zio-holocaust? are you talking about what hitler did to the jewish people or about what we are doing to Gaza? because if you even put those 2 toadoly diffrent cases in the same sentence you are stupid.
What Hitler Did:
Enslaved Jewish People
Murdered 6 Miliion People
Put Jewish People In Gas Tubes
Made Jewish People Walk In the Snow for 2000 miles With Barerly clothes on them, those who didnt die on the way, got enslaved and murdered.
He Burried 2000 Jews In One Huge Hall In The Ground That The Jews Were Forced To Dig
He Starved Them To Death
He Shot Kids, Woman, Man & Elderly with absulutly no reason, and there is never a reason to shoot kids.
and much more horrors that happend.

What Israel Did To Palestinians:
Attacked Back When Got Attacked
Occupied Lands That Were Fill With Terrorist Who Killed Jews.

And as for kids dying in Gaza, it is a very sad thing, I agree, but they are casualties of war, while jewish kids an WW2 were just shot in the street.
Ive Said This a million times before, wi provie Gaza with food, madications, water, gas, elecricity that no one is paying on but israel citizens in our taxes.

ohh and i found a nice picture:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...31454760_n.jpg

Originally Posted by JewishIsrael

Borders 67+Full Jerusalem.
they can take the rest of the occupied lands.....

Even though "Yehuda & Shomron" contains 300,000 jews that will have no home after that agreement, So israel wont make any some sort of deal before that issue is out of the way.

ohh and by the way zio-holocaust? are you talking about what hitler did to the jewish people or about what we are doing to Gaza? because if you even put those 2 toadoly diffrent cases in the same sentence you are stupid.
What Hitler Did:
Enslaved Jewish People
Murdered 6 Miliion People
Put Jewish People In Gas Tubes
Made Jewish People Walk In the Snow for 2000 miles With Barerly clothes on them, those who didnt die on the way, got enslaved and murdered.
He Burried 2000 Jews In One Huge Hall In The Ground That The Jews Were Forced To Dig
He Starved Them To Death
He Shot Kids, Woman, Man & Elderly with absulutly no reason, and there is never a reason to shoot kids.
and much more horrors that happend.

What Israel Did To Palestinians:
Attacked Back When Got Attacked
Occupied Lands That Were Fill With Terrorist Who Killed Jews.

And as for kids dying in Gaza, it is a very sad thing, I agree, but they are casualties of war, while jewish kids an WW2 were just shot in the street.
Ive Said This a million times before, wi provie Gaza with food, madications, water, gas, elecricity that no one is paying on but israel citizens in our taxes.

ohh and i found a nice picture:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...31454760_n.jpg

why do pigs use ww2 as an excuse to oppress today?

Originally Posted by Bishadi

why do pigs use ww2 as an excuse to oppress today?

Does it make you feel good calling other humans pigs ?
Does it makes it easy to kill their children when you treat them as pigs ?

Originally Posted by free man

Does it make you feel good calling other humans pigs ?

self centered liars are worse than swine.

I eat pork because i know how to clean it.

Does it makes it easy to kill their children when you treat them as pigs ?

The children aint the liars. The pigs are who created you.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

why do pigs use ww2 as an excuse to oppress today?

Question: why do pigs defend Palestinian terrorists who fire rockets unprovoked and indiscriminately, and blow busses full of civilians?
Answer: because they are pigs.

Doing the same thing for 70 years even if it doesn't work.
Some people never learn.