Thread: Turks in Ankara threaten France Republic:"Wait for us France, we will come."/genocide

Originally Posted by Clint Torres

Making it illegal will only force offenders to keep it on the down low. If they rant about it, others will know who they are and will know how they think and what they may stand for.

That is how you spot a mark.

Making it un popular to "speak" will drive it into their subculture causing the to meet more on the down low and talk amongst themselves with more hate and ignorace, thus creating a stronger groups of ignorance. And possibly more dangerous one.

The USA has them they are called soverigen citizens.

And what's wrong in pushing skinheads or other (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s that deny the Armenian Genocide to the rim of society? better that than see their ugly faces on TV or read their crap on fliers, some crimes should never be forgotten we owe that much to the victims, i can understand that bill, ignorants have the right to remain stupid but society has the right and even obligation in case of a proven Genocide - to compleatly waive such teaching.
Ignorance and hate are the enemies of every society and society has the right to defend against them, spreading them is not freedom of speach, it's an attack on society.

Originally Posted by litwin

i m agree with bill's author Valerie Boyer, she said.:


"My bill doesn't aim at any particular country,"

"It is inspired by European law, which says that the people who deny the existence of the genocides must be sanctioned."

Very true and entirely correct. In Europe it is a crime to deny a genocide and so pursuant to that thinking and to respect the victims and to deny the liers a podium to spread their lies, we criminalise denial of genocide. I applaud France.

Originally Posted by DonGlock26

Turks are all about the big lie. They are worse than Germany because they will not accept blame for genocide of infidels.


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Agreed. At least have the moral fortitude to admit to your crimes for crying out loud! Turkey can bug off. If it won't accept EU laws then it should rather deny genocide and keep the company of others.

Concepts of freedom of speech can be found in early human rights documents. England’s Bill of Rights 1689 granted 'freedom of speech in Parliament' and the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, adopted during the French Revolution in 1789, specifically affirmed freedom of speech as an inalienable right. The Declaration provides for freedom of expression in Article 11, which states that:
"The free communication of ideas and opinions is one of the most precious of the rights of man. Every citizen may, accordingly, speak, write, and print with freedom, but shall be responsible for such abuses of this freedom as shall be defined by law."
Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in 1948, states that:
"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."
Today freedom of speech, or the freedom of expression, is recognized in international and regional human rights law. The right is enshrined in Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, Article 13 of the American Convention on Human Rights and Article 9 of the African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights. Based on John Milton's arguments, freedom of speech is understood as a multi-faceted right that includes not only the right to express, or disseminate, information and ideas, but three further distinct aspects:
the right to seek information and ideas;
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the right to impart information and ideas.
International, regional and national standards also recognize that freedom of speech, as the freedom of expression, includes any medium, be it orally, in written, in print, through the Internet or through art forms. This means that the protection of freedom of speech as a right includes not only the content, but also the means of expression.

what happened in algeria?
along with many other colonial states...

i can still hear people chanting "algérie française!".
apparently hypocrisy is for the deaf.

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

The problem with Turkey is the opposite.

They've criminalized acknowledging the Armenian Genocide.

They also are lacking a freedom of speech.

We don't have such a law.

If we did you'd see Orhan Pamuk jailed so far you do not

Originally Posted by Gilos

The Armenians? perhaps they punish the liars throu this bill

Perhaps you aren't even aware of there are many Armenian nationalists that claim Jews are responsible of so-called Armenian Genocide by claiming that many Jon Turks (Young Turks) were crypto-Jews.

Or perhaps you don't even know Armenian crimes against Mountain and Azeri Jews.

Originally Posted by Gilos

Ottomans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

I got some fresh news for you, the Republic of Turkey was established in 1923 after years of war against occupiers of Anatolia (Allies) and revolution against Ottoman government itself.

Originally Posted by litwin

its still far much more progressive country then Turkey is...

But Turkey is very much on the French model. Examine what the French have done to the Bretons, the Basques and the Occitans and see where the Turks learned how to treat the Armenians and Kurds. The Revolution made bullying THE great patriotic activity, and after the German Occupation it turned into a blood-sport. Vive Kurdistan libre!

You are in a hypocrite!

i wrote many times to ''some'' people here, i am a Turkish beleives there was a genoside in Ottoman Empire aganist to Armenians, such as France made such as Italy made, USA made. At least %50 of the European Western Nations has Genoside in their history...

Armenians were one of the important Nation in Ottoman Empire untill they collaborate with Russians and Imperialist France. They attacked to Ottoman Empire during the war and some rachist pashas decided to make debortion and they allowed the Genoside during this debortions...

Turkey declarated many times, to make international reasearches with historians, there are Ottoman History Proffesors all around the wrold, there are serious sources that also Turks who faced with Armenian guerillas attack and Genoside before Armenian Genoside...

Whatever, the main mistake ''what is to bann an idea in 21st century''. Turks don't say lets send out the muslims out of the Europe like noe many European says if there is an idea to punish it is rachism. With this law France punish people who say ''i don't beleive my grandparents are not rachist'' .Do parlementerians have a mission like this and what they can know about history? Why only Armenian Genoside? If Parlemanteries will have a mission like thid why they don't start from Algerian Genoside. If tomorrow 2 milion Turks will make a meeting and shout there is not an Armenian Genoside how France will apply this law? Will they send people to prison ? Is this democracy?

France use this as a political gun. They use Armenians according to their political profits. And what a pitty Armenians is loosing blood between 2 Turkish country. They sticked in 1915, they are trying to collect their nation around a hatred. The worse they let the imperialists to use their pain according to their profits. This was the mistake opened the way to Genoside they are faced, they are attacked to Ottoman willages with the provacation of Russians and Frenchs, and when France and Russia left Armenians to die...

Turkey accuses France of genocide in Algeria

Turkish prime minister ramps up diplomatic spat, saying French killed 15% of Algeria's population during postwar occupation

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...nocide-algeria

Fair point.

Serious question; Wasn't the slaughter of the North American Indian tribes a genocide ?

Originally Posted by Liebe

Very true and entirely correct. In Europe it is a crime to deny a genocide and so pursuant to that thinking and to respect the victims and to deny the liers a podium to spread their lies, we criminalise denial of genocide. I applaud France.
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+ it will not close this subject from scientists , like Turkish propaganda suggests