Thread: Who has the right to Israel?

Originally Posted by Margot

Herodotus and Pliny were describing all the land between Egypt and Syria. Look it up for yourself.

The Hebrews were just another Canaanite tribe... Only difference is that they had no land and were considered to be fringe people.

You are so (*)(*)(*)(*)ing full of (*)(*)(*)(*), Israel was formed centuries before Herodotus.

"Modern Jews can trace their genetic lineage back to the neolithic peoples of the Levant more than 10,000 years ago."

So can the Arabs..........

No they can't, they can trace it to the Islamic Imperialist conquests.

Originally Posted by The Doctor

You sir are a liar the land was not renamed Palestine by the Romans (in order to wipe out any trace of the Jews) until 135 AD, Herodotus was referring to all the lands between Phoenicia and Egypt.

Wiki search: Points you should disprove...

Aristotle ( Meteorology) wrote: "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said.

Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.

One important reference refers to the practice of male circumcision associated with the Hebrew people: "the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learnt the custom of the Egyptians.... Now these are the only nations who use circumcision.

c.150 BCE: Polemon of Athens, Greek Histories, quoted by Eusebius of Caesarea in Praeparatio Evangelica: "In the time of Apis son of Phoroneus a part of the Egyptian army was expelled from Egypt, who took up their abode not far from Arabia in the part of Syria called Palestine"

c.130 BC: Pausanias (geographer), Description of Greece: "In front of the sanctuary grow palm-trees, the fruit of which, though not wholly edible like the dates of Palestine, yet are riper than those of Ionia

Originally Posted by The Doctor

You are so (*)(*)(*)(*)ing full of (*)(*)(*)(*), Israel was formed centuries before Herodotus.



No they can't, they can trace it to the Islamic Imperialist conquests.

There were ARABS for thousands of years before Islam. ... Just like there were Canaanites for thousands of years before there were Jews.
Wiki points.

Aristotle ( Meteorology) wrote: "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said.

Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.

One important reference refers to the practice of male circumcision associated with the Hebrew people: "the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learnt the custom of the Egyptians.... Now these are the only nations who use circumcision.

c.150 BCE: Polemon of Athens, Greek Histories, quoted by Eusebius of Caesarea in Praeparatio Evangelica: "In the time of Apis son of Phoroneus a part of the Egyptian army was expelled from Egypt, who took up their abode not far from Arabia in the part of Syria called Palestine"

c.130 BC: Pausanias (geographer), Description of Greece: "In front of the sanctuary grow palm-trees, the fruit of which, though not wholly edible like the dates of Palestine, yet are riper than those of Ionia

Originally Posted by Margot

Wiki search: Points you should disprove...

Aristotle ( Meteorology) wrote: "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said.

Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.

One important reference refers to the practice of male circumcision associated with the Hebrew people: "the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learnt the custom of the Egyptians.... Now these are the only nations who use circumcision.

c.150 BCE: Polemon of Athens, Greek Histories, quoted by Eusebius of Caesarea in Praeparatio Evangelica: "In the time of Apis son of Phoroneus a part of the Egyptian army was expelled from Egypt, who took up their abode not far from Arabia in the part of Syria called Palestine"

c.130 BC: Pausanias (geographer), Description of Greece: "In front of the sanctuary grow palm-trees, the fruit of which, though not wholly edible like the dates of Palestine, yet are riper than those of Ionia

They were not referring to Judah and Israel they were referring to all the lands between Phoenicia and Egypt.

Originally Posted by Virtus

I agree Jews shouldn't try to "drive out" palestanians just for living there. Like in the incident shown on this video - Jew Hits Kids With Car - YouTube

But what's going on is that some Arabs, Muslims, palestanians, ect.. are trying to take Israel and say that it's THEIR ancestral homeland. And they too commit atrocities that are hard to believe. In the end both sides are guilty, but Israel belongs to the jews. This, however, is no excuse for what some jews have done.

The little bastards were throwing rocks screw them I would run them over and the masked ones and the people filming them instead of stopping them in the 1st place

Originally Posted by The Judge

Why do you think that? Such is no different from claiming that Germany belongs to the Aryan race and that all Jews must thus be expelled from Germany. Can't humans somehow distance themselves from such Nazi ideology? What ever happened to "Never Again"?

Israel belongs to its inhabitants regardless of their religion, and its inhabitants includes those who fled war and were denied the right to return.

right on that sounds like an underhanded land grab to me all right

Originally Posted by snakestretcher

And he would be correct. AIPAC is the single most powerful and influential political lobby group in America. In fact a politician's career depends, to a large extent, on support from AIPAC. Go against them at your peril-and that of your career prospects.

is there some way to verify this

Originally Posted by The Doctor

They were not referring to Judah and Israel they were referring to all the lands between Phoenicia and Egypt.

LOLOL.. get a map.. Phoenicia is Lebanon on the MED..

Palestine refers to all the land between Egypt and Syria.. Israel was a small city state within those fluid borders that was occupied for most of its history.

Originally Posted by stig42

is there some way to verify this

Yes.. go to google and look at the senators and congressmen who recieve money from AIPAC every year, by amount.

Originally Posted by creation

My land, and the rest of the land, who proper use and entry to is decided upon by majority vote of all those living here.

I don't mind some Americans coming here and buying some land.They cant exclude the locals from living or working in any communities they then build, nor can they set up their own state.

Their descendants.

Why would it be wrong to stop American coming here in large numbers to set up their own state?

Fine then Israel modern formation was a bloody unjust mess or so I think after looking at the Wikipedia entry you win i don’t think Arab actins were entirely clean and honorable either

So no Jewish state that’s fine with me but i thick expelling them would also be wrong so what can be done to create a state where Jewish and Arab rights are both respected