Thread: Russia warns of 'grave consequences' re: Iran

Originally Posted by Margot

"It has nothing to do with a desire to strengthen the nuclear nonproliferation," Lavrov said at a news conference. "It's aimed at stifling the Iranian economy and the population in an apparent hope to provoke discontent."

Exactly! AND THAT'S A GOOD THING!

Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo

The only way to avert war is for a new Iranian revolution. The Iranian people need guns to defend themselves from their ruling class. Lots and lots of guns. Guns should be pouring into the hands of the Iranian people from everywhere on earth.

This is 100% correct. But I am afraid we lost our last chance to avoid war when the entire free world decided to sit on their butts and watch the best chance at peace be crushed by these Islamist crooks. The Iranian regime had beheaded the opposition in such a way that the chance of another revolt is very unlikely. I blame the free world for not doing a (*)(*)(*)(*) thing by allowing freedom and liberty to be sacrificed in the name of "non-intervention".

The concept of invading morons proclaiming ' freedom and liberty ' has long been understood by the civilized world to be the war cry of the capitalist military-industrial complex earning itself a living.

Originally Posted by ThinkingMan

This is 100% correct. But I am afraid we lost our last chance to avoid war when the entire free world decided to sit on their butts and watch the best chance at peace be crushed by these Islamist crooks. The Iranian regime had beheaded the opposition in such a way that the chance of another revolt is very unlikely. I blame the free world for not doing a (*)(*)(*)(*) thing by allowing freedom and liberty to be sacrificed in the name of "non-intervention".

An unending stream of guns and ammo should be streaming into the hands of the Iranian people. It's not too late to pour gasoline on the fire.

If a million guns pour into Iran the Iranian people will be able to fight an open source insurgency. Open source warfare on this scale can't be defeated. Everyone with a gun acts on his or her own without coordination.

If Basij thugs on motorcycles drive by pull out a gun and shoot them out of the saddle, then walk over, shoot them a second time to be sure, and disappear into the crowd.

Derail freight trains, knock down electical transmission towers, ambush Revolutionary Guards and mutilate their bodies. Kill any one wearing a black turban. Everybody acts on his or her own. Chaos theory.

The Iraqi insurgents almost defeated American troops through open source warfare. It took the Sunni awakening, 4500 US dead, pattern analysis software, and a trillion dollars to defeat them. The theorcrats in Iran don't have that kind of resources or the software for pattern and predictive analysis. Besides the Iraqi insurgents were a minority in their own country.

Kill regime supporters randomly. Open source warfare. Let the Iranian people rise and start killing these sons of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es. Let them come out of no where by surprise. An uprising of this scale can't be defeated.

At the same time the US blockades all Iranian oil shipments. Kill, kill, kill.

Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo

An unending stream of guns and ammo should be streaming into the hands of the Iranian people. It's not too late to pour gasoline on the fire.

If a million guns pour into Iran the Iranian people will be able to fight an open source insurgency. Open source warfare on this scale can't be defeated. Everyone with a gun acts on his or her own without coordination.

If Basij thugs on motorcycles drive by pull out a gun and shoot them out of the saddle, then walk over, shoot them a second time to be sure, and disappear into the crowd.

Derail freight trains, knock down electical transmission towers, ambush Revolutionary Guards and mutilate their bodies. Kill any one wearing a black turban. Everybody acts on his or her own. Chaos theory.

The Iraqi insurgents almost defeated American troops through open source warfare. It took the Sunni awakening, 4500 US dead, pattern analysis software, and a trillion dollars to defeat them. The theorcrats in Iran don't have that kind of resources or the software for pattern and predictive analysis. Besides the Iraqi insurgents were a minority in their own country.

Kill regime supporters randomly. Open source warfare. Let the Iranian people rise and start killing these sons of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es. Let them come out of no where by surprise. An uprising of this scale can't be defeated.

At the same time the US blockades all Iranian oil shipments. Kill, kill, kill.

Yeah that's what should have happened in 2009. I guarantee that if Obama simply said "we support you" to the protesters, the outcome would have been very different. Instead he asked Ahmadinejad "please don't hurt anyone." You can see how far that went.

My hopes for an overthrow of the Islamist government by the people were dashed in 2011 when I saw how easily they were able to crush the protests that happened during the beginning of the Arab Spring. The Mullahs have perfected the art of crushing dissent with all the practice they have had.

Originally Posted by moon

The concept of invading morons proclaiming ' freedom and liberty ' has long been understood by the civilized world to be the war cry of the capitalist military-industrial complex earning itself a living.

Nobody is talking about an invasion. And if you consider Iran/North Korea/China/Russia/Venezuela to be good examples of the civilized world, then there is no hope for you.

Sure there is and I certainly do.

Originally Posted by moon

Sure there is and I certainly do.

Do you consider North Korea to be a civilized polity?

Originally Posted by snakestretcher

http://www.newser.com/article/d9sbah...sanctions.html

Seems Russia has the right idea while the idiot hawks in America and Israel are frothing at the mouth at the prospect of attacking Iran. Just how much more destabilising, warmongering and regional factionalising do these idiots want to instigate before the planet erupts in another war?
The more I hear from America and Israel on this matter, the more I'm convinced of their insanity.

The EU is weighing whether to impose sanctions on buying Iranian oil, which is the source of more than 80 percent of Tehran's foreign revenue. The U.S. has already imposed new sanctions targeting Iran's central bank and, by extension, refiners' ability to buy and pay for crude.

Like I said, the USA and "Israel" seem to not be alone in their concerns and the Saudis promise to ramp up production to prevent an energy crisis.

That means virtually all of the developed world is against Iran having a nuclear capability. Which means you are going against the judgement and decision of your own people to support the enemy.

Russia and China are not powerful enough to stand against Western Civilization on this issue. They can suck balls.

I keep finding it laughable that the USA keeps getting singled out for what is in truth, a world action.

The easiest way to keep the oppressive regime in power in Iran, is to apply sanctions which adversely effect the Iranian economy (and thus cause suffering to the ordinary people,) and/or to militarily attack the nation.

Has anyone any idea what a great unifying influence an attack of any sort from a foreign power has?

For the last time, in common with the lack of evidence in respect of Iraq's supposed WMD, there is no factual evidence that Iran is constructing nuclear weapons. When there is, we can address the problem.