Thread: The End is Nigh says 3 million americans .

Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:36 NAB)

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. "Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, know that he is near, at the gates. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." (Matthew 24:29-35 NAB)

Jesus said the end times would come within the lifetime of the generation who were alive at the time of his death, it didn't.

Originally Posted by Wolf Ritter

Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:36 NAB)

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. "Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, know that he is near, at the gates. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." (Matthew 24:29-35 NAB)

Jesus said the end times would come within the lifetime of the generation who were alive at the time of his death, it didn't.

Interesting post. Expand it a bit. I think they get round that by saying well, what's time to God, or something similar. The end of things will come for each of us without our fussing about it, whatever.

Originally Posted by Iolo

Interesting post. Expand it a bit. I think they get round that by saying well, what's time to God, or something similar. The end of things will come for each of us without our fussing about it, whatever.

There's nothing to really expand on. Jesus set a definite date, that being within the lifetime of his followers who were alive then. It did not come to pass. The only options we're left with is Jesus sinned and lied which he should be incapable of or it's all a farce. This isn't surprising given the Bible is completely contradictory on the matter.

Here's a good lecture on it, it's only about an hour long.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE[/ame]

Ta. If it's that long I'll come back to it.

Originally Posted by Iolo

Ta. If it's that long I'll come back to it.

Let me summarize:

We have no evidence of Jesus outside of the gospels which are clear forgeries given the contradictory nature of the Gospels, which can't even agree on the names of the apostles. The closest contemporary source on JEsus we get from apologists is Flavius Josephus (c.36-100), a reluctant Jewish commander against the Romans is the Jewish Wars of the early 60s who then became a Roman.

In Volume 18, Chapter 3 The Antiquities of the Jews Flavius writes about the things Pilate forced upon the Jews, the vast majority of the chapter is dreary and gloomy and then all of a sudden:

'Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day'

He spends more time detailing a sex scandal not but a paragraph later than on the so-called messiah.

Why would an Orthodox Jew refer to him as the messiah? And why is he referring to them as the tribe of Christians? The Christians didn't even reach the size to be referred to as a tribe until the mid 2nd Century and the phrase 'Christian' didn't even come about until the 2nd Century. Then there's the use of the term 'gentile', Josephus' writings were for Roman audiences and he never uses the term before or after, if he refers to non-Jews he describes them as Greeks or Syrians or what have you. It's also strange that Flavius never mentions any other exploits of Jesus like the casting out of the moneychangers when he goes into great details writing whole chapters on other failed messiahs like John the Baptist, Judas of Galilee, Theodis the Magician, and another messiah called 'The Egyptian'. It's completely out of place and a very obvious forgery added in the medieval ages.

I don't mean to offend, so if I do, I apologize in advance, but have you guys ever considered that religion, in most senses, is just a form of population control? I mean, from the dawn of man, it has been re-invented countless times. It just seems to be a guideline of how to be a 'good person', with all of the extra promises that come after death being an incentive to be a 'good person'.

Originally Posted by Iolo

I'm sure that means something to you, but what I can't imagine. Do you think your puppet governments were good or bad, and what has this to do with self-sufficiency fantasies?

Really? Who's 'puppet' is Syria? How about Libya? Two nations not formerly noted as being overly supportive of US policy?


Self sufficiency is up to the individual, his wits, and his will. You want to be a servant of your government with no alternative, go ahead. Your choice. I may never pull it off, but I will at least try.

Originally Posted by Iolo

Childish propaganda.

Then why the 'eat the rich' bit in your last post? The people rising up against the rich and taking what the rich have? You have a very contradictory ideology.

Originally Posted by Iolo

You are silly: what responsibility is there in being a brainwashed serf?

This from the guy who just spent is him ridiculing self-sufficiency. And you are still making assumptions.

Originally Posted by Iolo

I speak as I find, kid, and don't particularly intend to be rude.

Know your audience, then. The road to Hell, after all, is paved with 'intentions.'

Originally Posted by Iolo

If you try to exist in opposition to the plutocrats they will squash you;

Where did I say I opposed the government? I said I don't think they're capable of taking care of the needs of this community in a time of a serious environmental crisis or any serious societal breakdown.

Originally Posted by Iolo

if you try to pretend they are not there they will squash you.

Squash me? For what? Buying a generator? Speaking out because I don't like my current president? What kind of world do you live in over there? Where did you learn about the US?

Originally Posted by Iolo

You expect a government dominated by the very rich to care about you when there are hurricanes?

If the government was so dedicated to the rich, there wouldn't be a welfare class. As for the hurricane part, we're back to preparing. Judging by your previous postings, I don't really think you know what you're talking about. You seem more intent on stirring up a fight rather than a debate. And little of what you say seems to have anything to do with the subject's topic.

Originally Posted by Iolo

They will say a prayer, if you are in luck, and go abroad on holiday. If you want a government that cares about you, get one that really represents you and stop talking bilge about a 'representative republic'.

Frankly, what do you know about it?

Originally Posted by Iolo

Yours is one of the various responses to class dominance that dodges the real issue, and just listening to Fox and doing nothing much is not 'hard earned'experience but passivity. And no, I don't know you, other than what you write. I'm a lot older than you, a lot wiser and a lot more experienced, so I'll discuss the subject the way it comes. What else is there to do?

Older, perhaps. Wiser? Wise men I know rarely make so many assumptions. I'll disagree on that one. As for experience, I don't know where you've been, but, judging by the attitude you display here, it must suck to be where you are.

As for ‘passivity,’ I know where I stand, what I’ve done, and where I intend to go. And I’ve no need to prove anything you.

Originally Posted by Iolo

Interesting post. Expand it a bit. I think they get round that by saying well, what's time to God, or something similar. The end of things will come for each of us without our fussing about it, whatever.

Time is what God and the Big Bang created to allow us (temporal beings) to exist even though intuitive time does not exist at all. (Physicists work with two kinds of time represented in formula as an upper case T or a lower case t). As you point out time is of no consequence to as supernatural being, however when this SN being creates a time dependent universe it becomes a concern.


reva

Originally Posted by Jango

I don't mean to offend, so if I do, I apologize in advance, but have you guys ever considered that religion, in most senses, is just a form of population control? I mean, from the dawn of man, it has been re-invented countless times. It just seems to be a guideline of how to be a 'good person', with all of the extra promises that come after death being an incentive to be a 'good person'.

What do you mean religion has been reinvented? Without religion there would be no civilization, or if it did emerge it would be in slow motion! Without religion where would Egypt be? The Sumerians? Religion was a huge catalyst for chemistry astronomer and all the sciences. Really! The hate of religion is like putting blinders and ear plugs in those that can not see past lies and anti christian propaganda. I am often amused how successful it is, but saddened at the same time! If not for religion (all forms) we would still be living in trees, or at best living at mud huts, as opposed to the Pyramids or the great cathedrals, or the Juggernauts and other magnificent architecture that would not exist if not for religion! Think about it. What has atheism given us? What structure in the ancient past or today has atheism given the world?

reva

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

3 million out of a population of over 300 million doesn't seem so bad, honestly.

But the LEFT and the Christian haters will of course lump all Christians into this category.

It is scriptural that …2 Peter 3:10
"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare."

No ones knows and anyone who says they do…is not standing on the Word.

Now if these people say that times will get bad and the dollar collapses etc etc….then fish in the pool is not a bad idea….nor is being prepared with a lot of ammunition.