Thread: Once the UK was both Great and Free...now?

Originally Posted by JIMV

But only government can arrest you for what they find...and they will eventually go after enemies...Remember when Nixon had 1 FBI file and someone went to jail for a year. By the time Clinton had over 1000 nothing was done and no one jailed. When Bush monitored overseas conservations between terrorists the civil liberties world about came to an end yet when Obama expanded the program a thousandfold, yawns from all. When Nixon had a list of 'enemies', a list not used for much, there was shock and horror. When Clinton used his enemies list to sick the IRS on his political enemies, barely a word...

In short, once the initial shock is gone the next fellow can do pretty much what he wants. This new law in the UK will be abused eventually to go after political enemies...Guaranteed.

Paranoia as usual. If the law is correctly constructed, it will be only as open to abuse as any other communication method. One the initial shock is gone, you will see that.

Originally Posted by Sovietskaja Zenzina

Strange when I mention something about capitalism always I got reply "there you are look what Soviets done, or Russia"
Yes Russia is not that perfect country. Well my point abolish capitalism would be better idea for all us.

Abolish capitalism? You sound like the opposite extreme to our right wingers.

It's not about abolishing capitalism or socialism. It's about finding a workable mix of the two.

Originally Posted by Viv

You're pushing it there with US.

Not really.

Originally Posted by Viv

Paranoia as usual. If the law is correctly constructed, it will be only as open to abuse as any other communication method. One the initial shock is gone, you will see that.

Except that is not the record of abuse...what is is the record of acceptance of abuse.

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

Not really.

Don't make me Google. You know how I hate it.

http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/RDavies...itical.html#us

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/lis...t_politicians/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28245651.../#.T3jSWNkrW8A

Originally Posted by JIMV

Except that is not the record of abuse...what is is the record of acceptance of abuse.

What it is is no different from the record or acceptance of abuse for any other communication method.

Originally Posted by Viv

Don't make me Google. You know how I hate it.

http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/RDavies...itical.html#us

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/lis...t_politicians/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28245651.../#.T3jSWNkrW8A

The fact that it gets reported actually implies we have a better system.

The most corrupt systems don't exactly keep things open.

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

The fact that it gets reported actually implies we have a better system.

The most corrupt systems don't exactly keep things open.

No system is 'better' when the internet is concerned.

Since the net started, way back when. It was always going to be under the iron fist of goverment control.

Unfourtantly. We are witnessing in our lifetimes. The freedom dream for online is dead. Get used to it!

And these nationalistic games of what 'country' is more free. Is distracting from the obvious. We the people, society in general has failed by allowing the greedy bastards in goverments to regulate to begin with.

Originally Posted by Viv

What it is is no different from the record or acceptance of abuse for any other communication method.

We have never had a time in which ones every move can be routinely monitored, your position noted, your contacts recorded, your views heard and you punished by a government that does not like any of it...The technology simply did not exist. Today you need to identify the person for abuse but in a few years the ability to note almost everyone will be there...and we have no protections if the government is not restrained by a rule of law...

And this action is an example of NOT having any restraints, nor penalties for abuse.

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

The fact that it gets reported actually implies we have a better system.

The most corrupt systems don't exactly keep things open.

No it doesn't imply you have a better system. It gives the public impression of a better system, which is no indication of accuracy.

Originally Posted by GeneralZod

No system is 'better' when the internet is concerned.

Since the net started, way back when. It was always going to be under the iron fist of goverment control.

Unfourtantly. We are witnessing in our lifetimes. The freedom dream for online is dead. Get used to it!

And these nationalistic games of what 'country' is more free. Is distracting from the obvious. We the people, society in general has failed by allowing the greedy bastards in goverments to regulate to begin with.

What about the Darknet? Is it still kicking? I suppose they will hem in the internet and then start on the Darknet, but the people who use that may be one step ahead. As in all aspects of life, there are criminals who make it a job to always find ways around the law.

Originally Posted by JIMV

We have never had a time in which ones every move can be routinely monitored, your position noted, your contacts recorded, your views heard and you punished by a government that does not like any of it...The technology simply did not exist. Today you need to identify the person for abuse but in a few years the ability to note almost everyone will be there...and we have no protections if the government is not restrained by a rule of law...

And this action is an example of NOT having any restraints, nor penalties for abuse.

There is ability to monitor a fair amount of activity already as someone else pointed out. This is just a new area of criminal activity which they need to work up laws for.

The law failed to get through anyway, as predicted.