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    Democracy everywhere, let it spread!! Putin is quite a bad guy, with a colorful past.


    MOSCOW (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of Russians marched through Moscow amid a stream of banners demanding President Vladimir Putin step down and challenging new laws designed to curb protest against his strongly centralized rule.
    Protesters chanting "Russia without Putin!" and "Putin is a thief!" moved in pouring rain down a central boulevard and packed a square in the first big opposition rally since the former KGB officer's return to the Kremlin for a six-year term on May 7.
    "We propose to rid the country of this usurper who wants to rob us and rule for life," former deputy premier Boris Nemtsov told the crowd, repeating accusations that Putin, still unrivalled in popularity by any opposition figure, had 'stolen' March presidential elections by fraud.
    On Monday, police searched the homes of several opposition leaders and summoned them for questioning an hour before Tuesday's march, a tactic Kremlin critics said smacked of the days of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin.
    Putin, 59, who built wide popularity by restoring strong central rule in Russia from the chaos of the immediate post-Soviet era, made no direct reference to the protest during a national day ceremony in the Kremlin. But he said those who rocked the boat were out to undermine Russia.
    "For us, anything that weakens the country or divides society is unacceptable," he said. "Any decisions and steps that can cause social and economic shocks are impermissible."
    The web sites of at least two media outlets critical of the Kremlin, including a television station trying to stream the demonstration live, were taken down in actions reminiscent of December parliamentary election that critics say were, like the later presidential poll, rigged.
    Police, who had beaten protesters at a rally on May 6, the eve of Putin's inauguration, stood along the route of Tuesday's march. Helmeted riot units lined one short stretch, but the security was lighter than at previous protests dating back to the December polls and no arrests were reported.
    However, the arm of the judiciary was on display, albeit subtly.
    At one point in the rally, a police officer mounted the protest stage and discreetly handed summonses to Nemtsov and leftist leader Sergei Udaltsov to report for questioning by federal investigators.
    One of the weaknesses of Russia's opposition is its failure to produce a clear popular leader. Ksenia Sobchak, a socialite who has become a Putin critic despite her late father's close ties to the president, is perhaps one of the best known through appearances on television and in the pages of glossy magazines.
    "I never thought we would return to such repression in this country," she said on Twitter after police searched her home on Monday, entering at 8 a.m. and seizing what they said was more than 1 million euros in cash.
    Sobchak, anti-corruption blogger Alexei Navalny and another opposition leader, Ilya Yashin, were questioned for hours on Tuesday by federal investigators as witnesses in a criminal case over violence at the rally on the eve of Putin's inauguration.
    "I have the feeling this is some kind of political reprisal," Sobchak, who did not attend that rally, said of her 5 1/2-hour questioning in an interview with Ekho Moskvy radio. "It was all aimed at humiliation, not at getting information."
    After his questioning, Navalny was taken to an office he uses by police who searched there late into the evening. Nemtsov's home was searched by investigators after the rally.
    Yashin, who came to the protest after, he said, refusing to answer all 56 questions investigators posed to him in a six-hour session, said he was summoned to return on Friday, as was Sobchak. Udaltsov was told to report on Wednesday.
    'DENIAL OF SERVICE'
    A spokeswoman for internet-satellite TV channel Dozhd (Rain), which was broadcasting live from the rally, said its site faced a "denial of service" attack by unidentified hackers, and the Novaya Gazeta newspaper's site was inaccessible.
    "We have got used to things like this - it seems every time there is a mass demonstration against the government our site is taken down," Novaya Gazeta deputy editor Vitaly Yaroshevsky said. "The hackers play to the benefit of the authorities."
    The site of liberal Ekho Moskvy radio, was inaccessible intermittently, including during the interview with Sobchak.
    Udaltsov ignored the summons he was issued when investigators entered his apartment on Monday and led a group of marchers carrying red flags and chanting "Putin to jail!" and "All power to the people!"
    "More than 100,000 people have come out today in a rebuke to this repression," Udaltsov told the crowd from a stage where speakers denounced Putin. "This is our answer to the crooks and thieves - we are not afraid."
    Police put the crowd size at less than 20,000 but that was clearly far below the real number, which opposition lawmaker Ilya Ponomaryov estimated at more than 70,000.
    Authorities gave permission for Tuesday's rally and many demonstrators said they would not let the new protest law, under which they could face crippling fines if order is deemed to have been violated, keep them at home. The law passed despite reservations expressed by constitutional advisers.
    RED TOOTHED WALLS
    "Those who fought are beyond being scared," said Valery Zagovny, 50, who served for the Soviet army in Afghanistan and was wearing the medals to prove it. "Let those behind the red-toothed walls of the Kremlin be scared."
    Putin initially tolerated the protests, which began in December after a disputed parliamentary election. He has taken a tougher line since returning to the Kremlin after four years as premier, a post he took on to remain Russia's paramount leader because of constitutional term limits.
    His promises of stability finds deep support among the elderly and many outside the cities, as have his strong measures against the protesters, accused by some of his backers of being spoilt urbanites financed by foreign powers.
    But opposition leaders say Putin's heavy-handed tactics show that he is worried by the protests that have undermined his once iron-clad authority.
    Many protesters are middle-class city dwellers who have benefited from the oil-fuelled boom Russia has experienced during Putin's years in power but want more of a say in politics and fear his prolonged rule will bring economic stagnation.
    (Additional reporting by Andrey Ostroukh and Lidia Kelly; Writing by Steve Gutterman; editing by Elizabeth Piper)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodTom View Post
    You want to create your own topic you can, but don't derail mine.

    What is your opinion of the protests in Russia? What is your opinion of Putin?
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    Not my fault if you can't face reality. You and I live UNDER a facade, a fabrication of democracy, please NEVER you ever confuse that to be TRUE democracy.

    My opinion of Putin? delusional, power-trip, Organised crime, Corruption.

    I think Russia is waking up to his rule, I don't particularly like him. Then again most people who become presidents or prime ministers are rarely ever good people. Just take a look at the two presidents from the Bush family, and the now reigning despot that is Obama.
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    Actually we,The US, live under a representative republic.

    The quote in my OP is more or less relating to the Arab Spring, and Democracy is now spreading from the Mid East to Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Kemal
    The religion of Islam will be elevated if it will cease to be a political instrument, as had been the case in the past

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    Looks like the NEO CONS maybe ramping up their Muslim Brotherhood terrorists to attack Russia?

    President Putin was initially installed to dismantle Russia. But, he saved Russia, so far.

    Prince Of Peace, Vladimir Putin With Both Feet In Reality
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    Putin handles NEO CON McCain extremely well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodTom View Post
    Democracy everywhere, let it spread!! Putin is quite a bad guy, with a colorful past.
    Putin just won a free & democratic election with an overwhelming majority in the first round of voting & nearly all of the voting stations had video cameras connected to the internet to prove the fairness of it. Russians won't be fooled by the CIA/Freedom House protests so soon after the election but it will make for good propaganda for domestic consumption in the West. Could be part of a softening up process on the American public to justify a war with Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddy62 View Post
    Putin just won a free & democratic election with an overwhelming majority in the first round of voting & nearly all of the voting stations had video cameras connected to the internet to prove the fairness of it. Russians won't be fooled by the CIA/Freedom House protests so soon after the election but it will make for good propaganda for domestic consumption in the West. Could be part of a softening up process on the American public to justify a war with Russia.
    Freddy .
    Whom do you work for?
    Once you begin to understand Russia , you will see how Gazprom HQ ( Kremlin to you) remove all real opposition from the beginning by cheating and lying on technical matters . And then throw in a few fake Opposition parties that are Gazprom HQ created , to confuse the electorate .
    Not sophisticated voters from the biggest Cities , but those who have no way of ever receiving uncensored news --- rely on national TV and news papers .
    As for your belief that actual voting is essentially clean , you are either a propagandist or genuinely have no understanding of how voting is rigged .Either way , you have been duped .
    Whatever your other strange views , people with money are getting out as fast as possible and capital outflow remains dangerously high .
    Official figures are never honest and people know what true unemployment and inflation is . This is a country at long last finding some courage and taking first steps to oppose the most successful leader of organised crime this planet has ever seen .

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    It pretty funny to see folks in USA criticize election in Russia when US "election" of Bush 2, was so rigged that the Supreme Court appointed Bush to be president.

    Besides, "There's not a dime's worth of difference between the ....crats and the ...cans." So, in effect we have a one party system.

    George Wallace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan88 View Post
    It pretty funny to see folks in USA criticize election in Russia when US "election" of Bush 2, was so rigged that the Supreme Court appointed Bush to be president.

    Besides, "There's not a dime's worth of difference between the ....crats and the ...cans." So, in effect we have a one party system.

    George Wallace

    Don't you think the idea of two wrongs making a draw is tired and lntellectually unsophisticated . Perhaps both were crooked .
    But what has that got to do with the price of Daffodils?
    Is your Political aim to preserve the status quo and never highlight fraud and deceit?
    Or have you something positive to contribute ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AestheticBrah View Post
    lol you're delirious bro. Living in your fake "lets pretend" democracy.
    GodTom lives in Russia?

    Go figure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by raymondo View Post
    Don't you think the idea of two wrongs making a draw is tired and lntellectually unsophisticated . Perhaps both were crooked .
    But what has that got to do with the price of Daffodils?
    Is your Political aim to preserve the status quo and never highlight fraud and deceit?
    Or have you something positive to contribute ?
    Americans can't progress beyond the mess we're in until they face up to what is and their role in creating the problem.
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