Thread: MB Morsi leading in Egypt

Originally Posted by free man

Coming from a person who has never set foot in Israel and knows nothing.

Freeman . - I had to take a break. FYI - my first v visit to J.Lem, , was before 67 -Dome of the Rock , Church of the Holy Sepulchre/Calvary etc., with an Uncle who was then stationed British Consular Office - Beirut. I again went mid 1980s on a Holy Land Tour , but found the Holy Land was quite unholy, While Palestinians was extremely hospitable - Israelis , in general turned out to be most arrogant . At the end of our tour , we concluded that there was nothing Holy about the Holy Land, - we saw no Angels, but lots of demons in uniforms + a few Uzi -totting beared settler Jews in Hebron , . aka the Jewish Tailban.

I 'd suggest you remove yr blinkers + go see what I saw. Have you ever invited a Palestinian to your home or visited a Palestinians family home. . ?


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Originally Posted by free man

Oh, You've been on a tour, you've walked the Via Doloroza. That must qualify you as an expert on Israel.



where did you read that ? from the KKK manual ?


Lebanese, you mean those factions that were engaged in a civil war for 20 years ?
Who finally settled it by separating the power in the country according to factions. Each got control of a certain power hold according to his faction ?
Sure, they must be an integral nation.
Syrian, you mean the ones who right now are engaged in a civil war ? and half of them claim Lebanon is a part of Syria.
Or may be Iraqi, that each faction every second week blow another mosque of the other faction.
All those states are artifacts of the Imperialism of the early 20 century.

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Freeman , you're talking Bull $hit, but you've confirmed that you too thick to recognise the existence of the Palestinian people from whom your lot stole the land.

VIVA PALESTINA.


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Originally Posted by moon

The solution would be for the military to become the Brotherhood- a unification of real Egyptians . It shouldn't be too difficult to achieve - once the Western collaborators and bribe-leeches are exposed.

OMG - a unification of real egyptians???Who do you define as real egyptians.

You are completely incorrect. Judaism is one of the very few religions ( and the only Abrahamic religion) which does not seek - indeed forbids- proselytization.

Furthermore, there are many shades of Zionism. Suggest you read up on the history of Zionism. I have some good books if you are interested.

Freeman , you're talking Bull $hit, but you've confirmed that you too thick to recognise the existence of the Palestinian people from whom your lot stole the land.

VIVA PALESTINA.


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You people like to just make stuff up

Originally Posted by Mayerling

You are completely incorrect. Judaism is one of the very few religions ( and the only Abrahamic religion) which does not seek - indeed forbids- proselytization.
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What ? then please tell explain a team of Rabbis mission going to Peru to convert Indians.?

Furthermore, there are many shades of Zionism. Suggest you read up on the history of Zionism. I have some good books if you are interested

For your info - there are many shades of Judaism as well .

btw Re _ History of Zionism , atheist Theodor Herzl's "Der Judenstaat" was a good starter.


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Originally Posted by Marlowe

Freeman . - I had to take a break. FYI - my first v visit to J.Lem, , was before 67 -Dome of the Rock , Church of the Holy Sepulchre/Calvary etc., with an Uncle who was then stationed British Consular Office - Beirut. I again went mid 1980s on a Holy Land Tour , but found the Holy Land was quite unholy, While Palestinians was extremely hospitable - Israelis , in general turned out to be most arrogant .

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Lucky for you.
Before 1967 I could not visit the temple mountain cause the Jordanians, unlike the Israelis did not allow Jews to visit it.
Yes, the simple thing you describe, how you visited it before and after 67, No Israeli could have done.
In addition, my father in law, along with all the Jew inhabitants of the old Jerusalem were ethnically cleansed of Jerusalem by the Jordanians.
They were refugees, but unlike the Palestinians who got a special UN agency looking after them their children and their children's children, my father in law had to just make it as a refugee.
So if you apply the rules you apply on your Palestinian friends, I'm a refugee as well from that war.

Have you ever invited a Palestinian to your home or visited a Palestinians family home. . ?

You are really funny.
The last time I went to Ramalla my friends there met me in the street, told me to go back to my car real fast and drive away "cause it was not safe for me to visit them any more".
Yes, they cared for me, but they could not guaranty I would make it back alive.
This was the last time I went there.
As for Israeli Arabs, they are around like anybody else. Some you work with, some you practice in the gym with, some are your friends and some are not.
The same I can say for any Jew or Christian (or Druze or Bahai).
Do you want me to tell you there is no Racism in Israel, I would not tell you that.
Many people are racists. You can find them all around, but that does not apply to Arabs only.
Some people just hate anybody who are not them and will use anything to try to insult them.
Hell, just the other day, in my grocery store someone insulted the owner for being a Georgian.

Originally Posted by free man

Lucky for you.
Before 1967 I could not visit the temple mountain cause the Jordanians, unlike the Israelis did not allow Jews to visit it.
Yes, the simple thing you describe, how you visited it before and after 67, No Israeli could have done.
In addition, my father in law, along with all the Jew inhabitants of the old Jerusalem were ethnically cleansed of Jerusalem by the Jordanians.
They were refugees, but unlike the Palestinians who got a special UN agency looking after them their children and their children's children, my father in law had to just make it as a refugee.
So if you apply the rules you apply on your Palestinian friends, I'm a refugee as well from that war.



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AS they say to every action there's a reaction.

It all boils down to the Zionists arriving in Palestine with a predetermined plan a plot , to displace / dispossess the indigenous non-Jewish Palestinians .

. While the Palestinians + other arabs at first welcomed the European Jews , relationships between Jew ( Zionist Ashkenazis ) quickly soured when the Zionists true motives became known.

I've always found Arabs , in general , - amongst the most welcoming + hospitable people. Chaim Weizman + other Zionists including the infamous Mufti , , at first welcomed the Jewish cousins, untill it became clear that European Jews came to establish Herzl's "Der Judenstaat".



see :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...eisal_1918.jpg

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AFAI can tell , If it was'nt for the ethnic cleansing started by Zionist Jewish terrorists like Irgun/Palmach/LEHI/Hagana/Stern Gangs against non-Jews, I'd say your father in law and all other Jews would have remained unmolested and continued living peacefuly alongside their arab neighbours as they've done for more than a thousand years before Zionism.

The last time I went to Ramalla my friends there met me in the street, told me to go back to my car real fast and drive away "cause it was not safe for me to visit them any more".

I'm not at all surprised. As long as your government suport legitimize theft of Palestinian Lands - building Jewish settlement, + make life intolerant for Palestinians , you'll not be safe and nore would I, if I was a Jew.



Freeman , I'm not particularly religious , however . it has taught us good /workable principles.

"Christianity All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 7:1
Confucianism Do not do to others what you would not like yourself. Then there will be no resentment against you, either in the family or in the state.
Analects 12:2
Buddhism Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful.
Udana-Varga 5,1
Hinduism This is the sum of duty; do naught onto others what you would not have them do unto you.
Mahabharata 5,1517
Islam - No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.
Sunnah
Judaism What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellowman. This is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary. Talmud, Shabbat 3id
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Its a pity politicians and groups led by people like your extreme Right Netanyahu . Lieberman, neo -Kahanist . Rabbi Ovadia - Shas - Ysrael Beiteinu , ther extermist Jews dont follow the golden rule . IMO thered be no Hamas/Hizbullah if it wasnt to counter Jewish extremists. No Zionism = no Hamas .

If you dont believe me , then check the date + origins of Hamas , same for Hizbullah . Hatred stem from Zionism and its policies towards non-Jewish Palestinians


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Originally Posted by free man

Lucky for you.
Before 1967 I could not visit the temple mountain cause the Jordanians, unlike the Israelis did not allow Jews to visit it.
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The war started long before 1967 - when the European Ashkenanim Zionist went to Palestine in order to establish Herzl's "Der Judenstaat" in a land where the majority population was non-Jewish and where Jews (Mizrahim/sephardim) lived unmolested with their Arab cousins.

btw - - My second visit to J'lem (after 1967 ) was'nt pleasant , hence my earlier remark abt the Holy land not being Holy and my encounter with demons in uniform - arrogant b'stards.


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Originally Posted by Mayerling

You are completely incorrect. Judaism is one of the very few religions ( and the only Abrahamic religion) which does not seek - indeed forbids- proselytization.

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Mayerling , further to my earlier post , disputing your claim. A team of Rabbis went to Peru and carried out quickie - Zap you're a JEW - conversions of impoverish Peruvian Indians to entice them to leave Peru migrate to Israel on condition that they live in illegal West Bank settlements and thereby increase the number of Jews there. - More bums on the seat.

READ and learn:

Quickie conversions "Zap - in two weeks - You’re Jewish "


When it comes to the settlement movement,the sky is now the limit,including a crash course of 12 working days in how to transform from an Andes Indian into a settler Jew

The Ha'aretz newspaper's weekend magazine of July 19 carried a cover story about 90 Indians from villages tucked far up in the remote mountains of Peru who had been converted to Judaism in Lima in a record two weeks.

They were then flown to Israel where they were sent directly to two Israeli settlements on the West Bank, Alon Shvut and Karmei Tzur, where they will study in yeshivah and pray, at the state’s expense, for the messiah to arrive.

The 90, constituting 18 family units, remarkably, were converted by an official rabbinical delegation sent from Israel with the blessings of Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi Israel Lau. Though they cannot speak a word of Hebrew, the 90 were given Hebrew names. Though they have never heard of Theodor Herzl, they are ardent Zionists who do not doubt for a minute that Israel is the Jewish state. And while Israeli politics are a total mystery to them, as is the debate over the future of the territories, that Judea and Samaria belong to the State of Israel is beyond question.
Why the 90 Peruvian Indians wanted to become Jewish was not made quite clear in the piece, other than a general sentiment that Abraham was the father of us all.

What is made clear is that the 3,000-strong Peruvian Jewish community told the rabbinical delegation that they could convert whomever they want, as long as the converts don’t remain in Peru. The Jewish community, it was explained, has enough difficulties of its own without having to deal with the "socioeconomic" problems the new converts would have brought with them.

One explanation for this passion to become Jewish, though, may be that a warm mobile home in the Judean Hills was a better propsect than scratching out a living in the Andes. Another is Sigundo Villanova, now Zerubavel Tzadkiya, a former Peruvian Indian who somehow arrived here in 1990 and moved to the radical West Bank settlement of Tapuah with his wife and six children. The children, who now have their own families, all continue to live on Tapuah, as do Zerubavel’s brother and his family. All are now firmly ultra-nationalist, messianic and determined to bring as many other Peruvian Indians over to Israel as possible.
Adding to our numbers is admirable in these troubled times, but why a serious and staid Jewish scholar like Rabbi Lau would go along with the scheme is an enigma. One can understand the folks at Alon Shvut and Karmei Tzur being happy to get their hands on anyone prepared to join them. But it is hard to believe that Israel would send out an official rabbinical delegation to convert these people to a religion they know nothing about and bring them slap into the middle of a conflict they have no part in.

To have done so is, frankly, incomprehensible and becomes all the more so when viewed in the context of the rabbinate’s attitude toward others who have tried to convert. Why, one wonders, does it take only two weeks to convert a Peruvian mountain Indian while tens of thousands of immigrants to Israel from the former Soviet Union, who have been here for a decade, serve in the army and have become the backbone of society, are put through the wringer before they are accepted as Jews? The criteria demanded of them for conversion are so strict that most simply cannot go through the process. In consequence they have to continue going to Cyprus to get married, and are buried outside the cemetery wall, even when they die for their country. And here we have people who don’t know a mohel from a shohet who are immediately inducted into what is supposed to be a non-proselytizing religion and brought to Israel to live on the dole.
I am all for the ingathering of the exiles and I have nothing against Peruvians, Indian or otherwise. But I find it confusing when someone like Sigundo Villanova seems to get one up on someone as undeniably brilliant as Rabbi Israel Lau and on the government of Israel by circumventing the regular immigration route of the Jewish Agency.


As always, it seems that when it comes to supporting the needs of the settlement movement, at the end of the day, the sky is the limit, including a crash course of 12 working days in how to transform from an Andes Indian into a settler Jew. The main requirement is that our 90 new brethren believe that all of the Land of Israel is ours and like their leader, the now-Zerubavel Tzadkiya, dividends will come down the road when the children and grandchildren, many of them, will make places like Tapuah thrive.
Tapuah, apple in Hebrew, was once considered a rotten apple by the mainstream settler movement, a place inhabited by fanatics who adhered to the hate philosophy of the late rabbi Meir Kahane. The community was an embarrassment to serious Land of Israel idealists who claimed they had an aspiration to coexist with the Arabs. That they should now be bending even the most sacred rules to make the spirit of Tapuah thrive is a sign of just how desperate and confused the settler movement -- and the rabbinate that is effectively supporting them -- seems to have become.
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How 90 Peruvians became the latest Jewish settlers


When a delegation of rabbis travelled to Lima to convert a group of South American Indians to Judaism, they added just one condition: come and live with us in Israel. As soon as these new Jews arrived in the country, they were bussed straight to settlements in the disputed territories. So how are they coping? Neri Livneh tracks them down

Wednesday August 7, 2002
The Guardian

In a prefab structure at a school in the West Bank settlement of Alon Shvut, a few dozen people are sitting and singing a popular Hasidic song: "The whole world is a very narrow bridge and the main thing is not to be afraid." They are singing with feeling, even though most of them don't understand a word of the song. As is the custom in religious schools, the class is divided into a men's section and a women's section. The women are wearing hats and the men's heads are covered by knitted skullcaps. The men and women alike have distinct South American Indian features.


Almost unnoticed, a new branch of Jews is springing up in the settlements, Jews who are connected to Israel and all things Israeli by a very narrow bridge indeed. They have yet to visit Tel Aviv or Haifa, and have never even heard of Degania, the very first kibbutz, or its neighbour, Kinneret. Miki Kratsman, the photographer, and I had the privilege of being the first secular Jews they had ever met. Nevertheless, they are fired with a historic sense of their right to this land.