Thread: Ex-US commander McChrystal calls for reviving draft

Originally Posted by Herkdriver

While I agree with the sentiment, I disagree with the idea of reviving the draft.

WASHINGTON — The former US commander in Afghanistan, Stanley McChrystal, has urged that the draft be reinstated to spread the burden of fighting and to instill a sense of shared civic duty among young Americans.


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The current set up is the way it is for the very reason that McChrystal mentioned. After the Vietnam War much of the combat capacity was put into the Guard and Reserves so if there was another major war, just about every community in the country would be effected on some level. And that's pretty much what happened.

Let's kidnap Americans and force them to fight for our Muslim Brotherhood cutthroat terrorists as in Libya, Yugoslavia, Syria etc.

Maybe they will kidnap Americans to work in the kitchens, cleaning and comfort corps for the Muslim Brotherhood we are currently allied with to help establish the New Caliphate.

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

The idea of mandatory service to the country is workable if multiple options are given.

For example, military service could be one option, but others could be civil or humanitarian services.

Of course, this would need to be carefully managed so that the programs used to temporarily employ these people wouldn't be wasteful.

That's how Germany does it, it works well for them but I think there would still be quite a bit of resistance to it in america. It's not a bad idea, but it could grow out of control until most of the "drafties" were just stuck doing makework and being paid tax dollars to do it.

Originally Posted by Ninth

That's how Germany does it, it works well for them but I think there would still be quite a bit of resistance to it in america. It's not a bad idea, but it could grow out of control until most of the "drafties" were just stuck doing makework and being paid tax dollars to do it.

Germany ended it in the start of 2011. Instead of requiring people to work why not instead simply encourage them with fair wages to join the economy so that they can work for some years after primary education to save money and better decide what they will pursue in secondary education or the workforce.

Originally Posted by SFJEFF

100% draft- no exemptions, no exceptions.

I was a Nam draftee and have lots to say on the subject. Number one is that it will NEVER be fair (women, eg.).

Number two is that it is inevitable.
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Originally Posted by Ninth

That's how Germany does it, it works well for them but I think there would still be quite a bit of resistance to it in america. It's not a bad idea, but it could grow out of control until most of the "drafties" were just stuck doing makework and being paid tax dollars to do it.

Good points. It sounds like there's a good reason for this resistance though.

Originally Posted by Idiocracy

Germany ended it in the start of 2011. Instead of requiring people to work why not instead simply encourage them with fair wages to join the economy so that they can work for some years after primary education to save money and better decide what they will pursue in secondary education or the workforce.

I prefer that as well.

First and foremost if there is a draft there can be no preferential treatment. Right out of high school (graduate or dropout) you do a minimum of two years. No college (in fact no college until you complete the two years mandatory), no deferrals, if you are disabled you work behind a desk so the physically fit can do the grunt work. If you are an idiot you are fodder or a potato peeler. (It won't happen so calm down already)


Our mission should be to remove communism and dictatorships from the face of the earth. That means the UN in it's present state of uselessness needs to be dissolved. We can head south through Mexico (our closest communist dictatorship), and move on from there. BY the time we hit the tip of South America, the people of the rest of the world will be ready to fight for their freedom as well.


Then we join Europe and move south. Once the entire planet except Russia and China have been properly liberated or exterminated (their choice), and free democracies control the largest mass of the planet, Russians will see they can have their freedom too. The way it was promised to them after USSR was eliminated. China will be our biggest threat, but once we stop financing their existence they will be much easier to isolate and persuade into defying their masters, and becoming democratic as well. Most of the fighting will be of the civil war nature after the first few dictatorships fall, but the desire to be free and the motivation that they are no longer alone, will turn the tide.


Then we can have that world economy these idiotic morons keep insisting exists today, but doesn't.


"People" of different regions will actually control their own destiny, for the first time in human history, and at the first hint of an individual assuming power through hostile takeover will be met with such unlimited power of aggression, that never again will mankind be cursed with supremacist dictators and their communist regimes. Everything Patton wanted done at the close of WWII, but the exploiters of the world refused to allow.

Otherwise we are just wasting money, resources, and unnecessary lives, accomplishing little to nothing except lining the pockets of a selective few. All that war is/has been used for the most part, now, and throughout time.


Of course like I said it will never happen because people are too selfish, greedy, and arrogant that never strive for what should be the only moral imperative, and common goal for mankind to strive for, "world peace".

Originally Posted by Herkdriver

While I agree with the sentiment, I disagree with the idea of reviving the draft.

WASHINGTON — The former US commander in Afghanistan, Stanley McChrystal, has urged that the draft be reinstated to spread the burden of fighting and to instill a sense of shared civic duty among young Americans.

I'd have no problem with it as long as women are drafted as well as men.

Me thinks if you don't have enough volunteers to keep fighting your wars. Maybe your war lacks merit.

Originally Posted by Anikdote

Me thinks if you don't have enough volunteers to keep fighting your wars. Maybe your war lacks merit.

Exactly why they are running low on cannon fodder, while accomplishing less and less each and every day. There was no desire to win these wars, just to show force, and make a bunch of money, by spending tax payer money. When you are forced into situation where war is eminent, kicking arse and taking names, expeditiously as possible, then having an exit strategy, unless you plan on dominating the region for the spoils, you are just g smoke up somebody's rear.