Thread: Palestinian officials say Romney undermining peace process

Originally Posted by GodTom

I'm saying they're the exact same situation! The only reason you're screaming about Jews in Israel is because a couple hundred years haven't passed yet.

The reason most people show concern for what is happening in that area is because it is happening 'on our watch'. As such we have a responsibility. What was acceptable in colonial times, is not acceptable now.

Originally Posted by ThirdTerm

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel but East Jerusalem's sovereignty is still disputed because it was captured by Israel during the Six-Day War of 1967 from Jordan. Under the two-state solution, West Jerusalem would become Israel's official capital and East Jerusalem may fall under Palestinian control. There is a US law to require the president to move the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and Romney backed the relocation of the US Embassy and his pro-Israel stance is considered to be a campaign strategy to highlight his differences with the sitting president over Israel.

What you said here is accurate information. EDIT: I just noticed you said "Jerusalem is the capital of Israel." I'll touch up on that in a bit, I have to leave for now.

The problem is that Israel recognizes that their capital is all of Jerusalem. Under one of Israel's basic laws they do not differentiate between East and West Jerusalem, but rather that Jerusalem "complete and united, is the capital of Israel."

Originally Posted by ThirdTerm

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel but East Jerusalem's sovereignty is still disputed because it was captured by Israel during the Six-Day War of 1967 from Jordan.

That is incorrect, Jerusalem in its entirety is not the capital of Israel (as I mentioned above, Israel doesn't differentiate between east and west Jerusalem). I'd like to ask you what this "dispute" is, what is Israel's claim to East Jerusalem other than that of an occupier? Any reasoning as to why East Jerusalem is part of Israel?

On June 7, 1967 Israel occupied the eastern part of Jerusalem, and following the 1967 war resolution 242 was adopted and (which Israel has accepted as a basis for peace talks) emphasizes the inadmissibility of acquisition of territory by war, and refers to this land as "territories occupied in the recent conflict." East Jerusalem is occupied territory, and as such unilateral annexation is illegal. This is further proven because following Israel's basic law on Jerusalem the United Nations Security Council adopted resolution 478 which says "that all legislative and administrative measures and actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, which have altered or purport to alter the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, and in particular the recent "basic law" on Jerusalem, are null and void and must be rescinded forthwith." No other country recognizes Israel's "Jerusalem law" as legally binding. Other relevant resolutions to the character and status of East Jerusalem are resolutions 252 (196 of 21 May 1968, 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969, 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969, 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971 and 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980.

The International Court of Justice also says in their July 2004 Advisory opinion that East Jerusalem is an occupied Palestinian territory.

The Israeli Supreme Court in June 2004 also ruled that "Since 1967, Israel has been holding the areas of Judea and Samaria [hereinafter - the area] in belligerent occupation."

It is also important of me to mention this: (B'Tselem) "In June 1967, following the 1967 War, Israel annexed some 70 sq. km to the municipal boundaries of West Jerusalem, and imposed Israeli law there. These annexed territories included not only the part of Jerusalem that had been under Jordanian rule, but also an additional 64 square kilometers, most of which had belonged to 28 villages in the West Bank, and part of which belonged to the municipalities of Bethlehem and Beit Jala. Following their annexation, the area of West Jerusalem tripled, and Jerusalem became the largest city in Israel."

And as the article said there are no embassies in Jerusalem in representation to Israel.

So if the international community, the UNSC, the ICJ, and the Israeli Supreme Court consider that East Jerusalem is occupied territory, what is Israel's claim to East Jerusalem?

I know that Romney was born to money which is OK.. but is the big secret that he is a stupid man???

Jerusalem is the home of the Jews. Give it to them or there will be no end to the war until it is all theirs.

Originally Posted by Slyhunter

Jerusalem is the home of the Jews. Give it to them or there will be no end to the war until it is all theirs.

There will never be peace until the whole world is Islamic with Islamic laws and institutions, so since they're not going to have peace anyway, why not give Jerusalem to Israel?

Originally Posted by Khalil

Palestinian officials say Romney undermining peace process

Romney is not 'undermining the peace process'.

Why not?

There is NO 'peace process', it is as simple as that. Sometimes there is lip service paid to one, almost as an afterthought.

In reality, there is only a 'Let Jews run amok in the ME policy'.

Here is the thing though. Sure, through bribes, or blackmail or shillery, everyone that is honest, knows that both US parties have been made 100% answerable to one state, one people, and that is 'israel'. We can argue it over and over, but it's a waste of breath, people that do not live on the moon can see it, they can see it very easily, it is not even hidden.

However, I am also of a mind, that there are also many men, past politicians, sentators, ex mil etc, who are American, and who also DESPISE what I have just described. I know they exist, you can go listen to them speak yourself, and no, before anyone wishes to smear them, they are not part of the KKK, they are good Americans, who just happen to be better qualified than most on here, to speak, and they want their country back from Zionist control, and rightly so.

Naturally, while such men and women do exist, the Zio-media usually does not give them the platform and attention that the merit, as Amercians, many of whom served in high office. They can see what has happened, and what is happening, and as Americans, they do not like it. And if they know, and they do not like it, then it is likely that there are Americans that do not like it either, those that have been immune to around 30yrs of media brainwashing, that is.

While it is true that the Zionists have done well to infect so deeply into the US systems of politics etc, and while it is true that this has harmed the US in reality, the actual fickle nature of Western Americans who are not Jews, cannot be understimated. Sure, they may have been tricked into slavish support, for Israel, for a few decades, but as I keep saying, nothing lasts forever, no human construct anyway, which is why this Zionist influence of US politics is, a temp and human made construct, that the US is going through, right now, but it is unlikely to always do so, because, well, as I have said even with lots of propaganda and so on, eventually it wears out, the consensus, for some strange reason, always seems to begin altering, it is almost a process of nature.

As far as Muslims go, those I have met are decent family people, with clear religous values, I may not concur with what they believe, but that is immaterial.

I do not for one second believe that Muslims and Arab nations would ever want to invade and occupy Europe.

That is 100% BS, in fact, it is reverse accusation, as it is really Zionists who have tried to do that here, just like in the US.

I think it is 100% BS, that there are hoardes of European Muslims trying to foist Shariah onto me, or make it part of criminal law.

I do see some very strange laws being drawn up though, that seem deeply concerning to me, and nothing to do with Islam. Or Muslims.

There are 1.5 billion Muslims, so I am told.

A good % of them are able bodied.

Collectively, they could pull real financial muscle, if they were working, as one.

The wealth of Arabs in Saudi, and the Royals there, it must be comparable, surely, to even the richest Jew?

Yet- what happens?

S Arabia, in effect, sides against Islam, and by extension Muslims, by being 'friends' with the Zion shills in the US, and their affilates.

S Arabia know full well what the deal is, they ain't daft, but by being how they are, they are facilitating it.

In some ways, they are worse than the Zionist Jews, for I would expect no more of Zionist Jews, than to work only for the benefit of Zionist Jews, no matter what that takes.

But S Arabia, are, imo, actually going against those they claim to have a shared religion and culture with.

So are, when you think of it, Pakistan.

But they are not all working as one, are they, and that, imo, is the advantage that all Zionists, in any position of high office, have over Muslims, whatever else their differences, they always work for the furtherment of the Zionist entity.

Because they put that one simple goal above all else, and because they are relatively small in number, they have been able to advance, for the want of a better word.

If the Muslim world were organised in the manner that the Zionist Jew world is, at least in terms of working to one simple goal, and letting that be above all else, at least for a time, or if not above all else, at least big enough to unite behind, then no question they could defeat Zionist Jewry, if Saudi Arabia used it's influence, the way Zionists would for Jews, for Muslims, they could make great gains in the US system, and as the Zion grip on the US people got weaker, they would care less about 'israel', the consensus, as I say, is always prone to 'regime change'..

What could Israel do now? The rest of the world already disapproves of their record, it is only the shillery in the US, through their power of veto, that is the glue that holds Israel apart.

When that shifts, and it is almost inevitable that it eventually will, as all things do, then Israel are going to do what, precisely?

When the US stop giving them money, and the Germans think, feck it, they have had enough from us too, what are they going to do then?

When the US is returned again to good American men, and they will no longer behave in the cringeworthy way of a Romney, toward Netenyahu and Jews.

When the building consensus in Europe, forces politicians here to either cut trading links with Israel, or be run out of politics for better men?

When Russia and China put pressure on Israel, because Israel have NOTHING to offer either?

Seriously.

What the FOOK would the tiny state, do then?

Yeah, they have been allowed to build up a large cache of nukes.

And?

So what?

Do they all want to die, because that is what would happen, when the consensus turned, and IF they ever threatened say the new US Gov, a proper one, or a nuke enabled Europe, this would not be like fighting Hezbollah, nor would it be like threatening people in Gaza.

There are those in Israeli politics who would probably be arrogant, and maybe lovers of death so much, that they perhaps would use rhetoric of an aggressive nature, but really, in that situation, the more likely thing wouild be that Jewish people there would flush out the Likkudists, and all of that mindset, and replace all of that, with better people, because there are some v good minds and people, among the Jewish population, just not the one's that keep forming Gov's there, and not those that are engaged in financial terrorism. The people would themselves, want rid of the type of psyche that has gone before, and that region would be the better for it, for Jews and non Jews.

Jack

Originally Posted by Khalil

So if the international community, the UNSC, the ICJ, and the Israeli Supreme Court consider that East Jerusalem is occupied territory, what is Israel's claim to East Jerusalem?

Okay let me explain how Islam works. If East Jerusalem was to become part of Palestine, Israel would have to build a wall separating the two sections of the city, which would be an almost impossible task. If it didn't do so, Israel would be subject to terrorist attacks, and that would force the Jews to leave the way the Christians did throughout the Middle East and Kosovo. To Israel it's a matter of survival, to the Muslims, it's simply the progression and advancement of Islam.

Currently, and sadly, there is no peace process.
So Romney is not undermining it, since it doesn't exist.

About Jerusalem - it is the capital of Israel.
I believe it should be split to east/west for palestinian/Israeli control, but it does not change the fact that it is the capital city of israel.

Originally Posted by Uri

Currently, and sadly, there is no peace process.
So Romney is not undermining it, since it doesn't exist.

About Jerusalem - it is the capital of Israel.
I believe it should be split to east/west for palestinian/Israeli control, but it does not change the fact that it is the capital city of israel.

There was a 1995 congressional decision to move America's embassy to Jerusalem and all the Presidents past and present including the one who soiled the oval office (and was impeached) reneged on their promise.

A President whot reneges on a promise is not an honorable President!