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Thread: Time for the United States to FORCE a Peaceful Settlement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AboveAlpha View Post
    Again...I would prefer to not have to be involved in such things.

    The reality is the United States is a Hyperpower. This word has been assigned to the U.S. by China and Russia as they feel the word Superpower no longer is a strong enough word.

    Because of the fact that the U.S. Economy is not only the worlds largest but as well many countries entire economies depend upon the sales of imports to the United States...as is the case with China as it has been determined that if the U.S. stopped purchasing imported goods from China...the Chinese economy would collapse within a WEEK....since the U.S. Economy and U.S. purchases of Imported Goods from many many countries is VITAL to the economies of almost every country on Earth...as well as the fact the U.S. Military and Navy maintains the safety of the entire worlds Ocean Trade Routes...as well U.S. Aid in the form of Food, Fresh Water, Medicine and Medical Supplies keeps alive over 2 Billion People around the globe...as well just about EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT of products specific to ECONOMIC ENGINES...which are necessary to create economic growth on a Global Scale have been developed and created and marketed from the United States and U.S. Based Companies.

    Such Economic Engines are the INTERNET, PERSONAL COMPUTERS, CELL PHONES AND THEIR NETWORKS, COMPUTER SOFTWARE, MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEMS, INTERNET SEARCH ENGINES, WINDOWS AND APPLE CREATED SYSTEMS, MULTIMEDIA ENTERTAINMENT, SATELLITE TECHNOLOGY AND SATELLITE BASED COMMUNICATION...ETC....the list goes on and on.

    If for some reason the U.S. and U.S. Military were to vanish...the entire WORLD would spiral into a total state of CHAOS in short order.

    We have been doing the job of World Policeman and doing the job of Economic Engine Creator for so long that even if other countries found themselves without the United States...they wouldn't know what to do or where to begin to fill our role.

    Case in point...after the collapse of the Soviet Union...Russia under Yeltsin notified the U.S. State Department that an issue that if not handles would result in Nuclear Proliferation as well as the possibility of Reactor Meltdowns and Radioactive Weapons leakage and Neutron Damage.

    Because the Soviet Union split up...Soviet Nuclear Stockpiles were now spread out over many now independent Nations that were not a part of the New Russia. Tens of Thousands of Nuclear Warheads designed as Gravity Bombs, Artillery Shells, MIRVED Missiles, Suitcase Bombs...etc...were no longer considered Security Safe and since the Russians did not have the money to deal with this issue as well countries like the Ukraine and the like REFUSED to deal with Russia as they wanted MONEY if the Russians wanted these Nukes back.

    As well Nuclear Reactor Fuel and spent Fuel Rods were starting to build up at reactor sites and Nuclear Warheads must be MAINTAINED as their Nuclear Fueled Cores will degrade as Neutrons decay from such fuel.

    The United States...the ONLY country with both the expertise and money to handle this problem as well as the only country that other Nations such as the Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan would trust to receive Nuclear Weapons...detailed LINK...http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/91-144.htm

    If not for the United States Military and DOE personal going to these former Soviet States and dismantling and destroying these tens of thousands of Nuclear Weapons...I am certain that if this had not been done a terrorist group would have by now detonated Nuclear Weapons in several areas of the World.

    Now there is NO OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH...that has either the capability, experienced personal, military capability, logistical capability, money or TRUST given to it by even FORMER SOVIET STATES to do the right thing in DESTROYING ALL THESE WEAPONS AND DELIVERY SYSTEMS rather than keeping them or selling them.

    Even our former adversary the Russians...had total trust and confidence that the United States would properly destroy these Nuclear Weapons and Delivery Systems as when Boris Yeltsin was asked if he was worried about if the American's might keep these Nuclear Weapons and Delivery Systems and this question was asked specifically about Soviet SLBM's....Sub Launched Ballistic Missiles...Yeltsin said...Why should we worry about that? The Americans have thousands upon thousands of their own Nuclear Weapons and why would the United States want to keep our Inferior Nuclear MIRVED SLBM's when they have the Trident Systems aboard their Ohio Class subs and have sold the Trident System's to the British who have Trident in their Vanguard Class Subs?

    Yeltsin went on to say...Russia is broke and we cannot afford to pay these countries for these Soviet Era Nuclear Weapons that are now existing no longer in the Soviet Union but in independent Nations. These Nations have agreed to allow the Americans to remove and destroy them so let the Americans pay these countries. Russia accepts, condones and agrees that it is an absolute necessity that these Nuclear Weapons and their delivery systems are properly destroyed and their Nuclear Material properly and safely removed, monitored and documented for use in Nuclear Power Generation.

    Since Russia cannot afford to do this there is but only ONE other country capable of providing the money and manpower and expertise to undertake such a massive and complex project. That would be the United States.

    AboveAlpha


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    Quote Originally Posted by FearandLoathing View Post
    OK. Keep killing then.
    If you think I am the BAD GUY...you are sorely mistaken.

    You and others talk about some of these groups and nations and their leadership and agents as if they were some poor misunderstood victims of U.S. Power and U.S. Policy and that they are just going about their business when all of a sudden the Big Bad Americans come and dictate to them what they must do or die.

    These Freekin' People I have to deal with are all MURDEROUS THUGS and MASTER MANIPULATORS of the World Media, Public Opinion and their OWN PEOPLE.

    In the Middle East such corrupt leadership tends to be labeled as a Islamic Governmental Vanguard against the Infidels and Zionists.

    Or such people are Orthodox Religious Groups that control the votes of millions of Israeli's as they manipulate the media by refusing to leave Settlements set by agreement for destruction as TV camera's broadcast the Israeli Military using FORCE as soldiers drag Orthodox Jews from buildings as these Jews pray and scream to the camera's that GOD will not forgive these soldiers for going against GODS WILL.

    What I find to be SICKENING is how the Religious Zealots on both sides use RELIGION to MANIPULATE people and especially manipulate the youth of such nations.

    AboveAlpha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I know quite a bit about immigrants. My wife is an immigrant from China. There are many Chinese immigrants to the US. Chi Mak was a Chinese immigrant. I assume you know who he is.

    There is great ambivalence about Uncle Sam among Chinese immigrants. And there seems to be an equal amount of ambivalence for the US among Mexicans and Central American immigrants in California. Lots of them are pretty disillusioned.

    America is a place to come to make money for most immigrants. It is not a place that captures as many hearts as you think.
    You had expressed your doubts, citing the case of Chi Mak, about the loyalty of Chinese Americans in your old postings.

    Precisely there are people like you who doubt the loyalty of Chinese Americans that some of them do not feel secure in America and have to emphasise publicly to a laughable degree that they are more American than the white Americans.

    I had watched one Chinese American (whom I jokingly nickname Mak Chi) from the Heritage Foundation emphasising his true Americanness in a television interview by saying: "If I were a Chinese..." This is quite laughable. It's akin to a gander that lives among turkeys trying to show that it is more turkey than a turkey by saying: "If I were a gander....."

    If there were problems of dual loyalty among immigrants in America, the US has to take a large part of the blame. It gives asylum to dissidents and separatists from other countries, particularly Russia and China. Rather than encouraging them to leave their hearts forever in America and sever their ties totally with their countries of origin, Uncle Sam encourages them to leave their hearts in their original homelands so that they can continue with their sabotaging and separatist activities from their temporary bases in the US.
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    "The Palestinian/Israeli issue (more accurately, the conflict between Jews and Muslims) could never be resolved permanently." -- reedak

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    Quote Originally Posted by AboveAlpha View Post
    After any extended amount of time a person in a room under these conditions will do just about anything to get that music and strobing of lights to stop.

    AboveAlpha
    So then it's torture.

    My question is why though. What is it you need them to do for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    America is impotent. It is in retreat worldwide. And it faces millions of its own citizens who hate it with a passion.
    It looks like Uncle Sam is in need of high doses of Viagra.
    "The Palestinian/Israeli issue (more accurately, the conflict between Jews and Muslims) could never be resolved permanently." -- reedak

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedak View Post
    You had expressed your doubts, citing the case of Chi Mak, about the loyalty of Chinese Americans in your old postings.

    Precisely there are people like you who doubt the loyalty of Chinese Americans that some of them do not feel secure in America and have to emphasise publicly to a laughable degree that they are more American than the white Americans.

    I had watched one Chinese American (whom I jokingly nickname Mak Chi) from the Heritage Foundation emphasising his true Americanness in a television interview by saying: "If I were a Chinese..." This is quite laughable. It's akin to a gander that lives among turkeys trying to show that it is more turkey than a turkey by saying: "If I were a gander....."

    If there were problems of dual loyalty among immigrants in America, the US has to take a large part of the blame. It gives asylum to dissidents and separatists from other countries, particularly Russia and China. Rather than encouraging them to leave their hearts forever in America and sever their ties totally with their countries of origin, Uncle Sam encourages them to leave their hearts in their original homelands so that they can continue with their sabotaging and separatist activities from their temporary bases in the US.
    Unless a person is purposely moving to the U.S. for the purpose of performing a terrorist act or an act of purposeful violence....close to 100% of all immigrants to the United States are very happy to have been so fortunate to get in.

    I have and still do travel extensively and I have been all over the world. I have been to progressive European countries, nations of the Indian Ocean shores and Asian Pacific rim...the Middle East...Central and South America...F@&%$!& AFRICA!....and I can tell you that no matter where I have gone there is a different feeling and vibe one feels letting them know that where they are is NOT America or the U.S.

    Regardless of how anyone might feel about the possibility of the loss of rights...when I am in the States my guard is WAY DOWN and I feel a sense of security that I feel nowhere else.

    Now because of what I do and my extensive training and experiences...I am a person who will wake up at the slightest of noise. I tend to avoid crowds as even though I often am in front of crowds I am made separate by certain crews and if I find myself buried in a crown I have to avoid reacting to being bumped into and something as simple as a person dropping their keys might set me into motion.

    Now these feelings are compounded 10 fold if I am not in the States and I can sense a noticeable difference when in other countries. Now equate this to a person who has immigrated to the U.S. and for most of their lives has had a feeling similar to mine in that they never really felt safe and were always on guard.

    In my experiences I find people who have immigrated to the United States as friendly and hopeful as well as such people seem to desire to improve themselves especially if they have children.

    AboveAlpha

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    Quote Originally Posted by AboveAlpha View Post
    Do you really think I care a Flying F@#% about Jerusalem or who maintains control of it?

    I could care less!

    It is not ME or the U.S. that asks for MONEY in order for such issues to find solutions or at the very least a truce...the Money is asked for by each sides Leadership and ESPECIALLY by each sides RELIGIOUS LEADERSHIP.

    There is no one on the Planet that loves the All Mighty Dollar more so that one that invokes GOD or ALLAH as the reason for their actions.

    How is it you think Temples and Mosques get built?

    MONEY!

    How do you think Religious Leaders are able to afford $80,000 Dollar Mercedes and have Gold and Decorative Tile Inlay all within their places of worship?

    AboveAlpha
    When Moses parted the Red Sea 3,000 years ago, he did not need a synagogue or any holy place to perform the miracle. To those who have faith in their religions, God or Allah is in their hearts. Temples and mosques are built in the hearts long before they are built with money.

    Look at the Talibans who are fighting the US-led NATO forces in Afghanistan. They just pray anywhere on the battlefield. If they have to go to a mosque for praying while in battle, they would have long dead by now.

    Money does not make the world go round for those who love God or Allah more than money.
    "The Palestinian/Israeli issue (more accurately, the conflict between Jews and Muslims) could never be resolved permanently." -- reedak

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    Quote Originally Posted by AboveAlpha View Post
    Well they can stone themselves all they want as long as we are not paying for the stones.

    AboveAlpha
    Don't worry. You do not need to pay for the stones. You can find a lot of stones flying through the air in your direction.

    IDF, Palestinians clash in several West Bank hot-spots
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-pal...oss-west-bank/

    Clashes in West Bank: 2 settlers, soldier injured by stones
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...349815,00.html
    "The Palestinian/Israeli issue (more accurately, the conflict between Jews and Muslims) could never be resolved permanently." -- reedak

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    Quote Originally Posted by happy fun dude View Post
    So then it's torture.

    My question is why though. What is it you need them to do for you?
    It's the same level of torture I must endure when I ended up being stuck there for Freekin' 2 MONTHS!

    Instead of being home with family swimming in my pool and grilling up steaks and eating corn on the cob...I end up having to spend day after day talking to some damn Aide as it takes they 2 weeks just to agree upon what times and how long between 30 minute breaks such a meeting will be.

    After 10 weeks and after having to get up at 4 am after being out all night long because I get a call telling me they have agreed to terms upon when a meeting will take place...that when being at 6 am on my DAY OFF...I take a shower and get dressed then show up with a few of my guy's only to find out they decided to cancel for some stupid reason.

    After that I decided THEY were no longer going to dictate to me the how's, why's and when's....as I tried a new approach in a manner a lot less...cordial then either side was used to.

    It worked...not completely...but at least they knew not to keep screwing around with me.

    AboveAlpha

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