This will be the Marines' opportunity for ' revenge '. The atrocities committed in Fallujah have still not been thoroughly investigated.

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What you mean is that the made up claims of atrocities in Fallujah have not been substantiated 6 years after the fact.

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"Democracy's the worst form of government except for all the others." - Winston Churchill

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - George Orwell(misquote)

Because some of it aint true and other parts are outdated.

I find it humorous people using old intelligence to support their own unsupported beliefs.
I can think for myself and Al Qaida is Al Qaida.There are numerous claims made by Tony Blair just last week that Iran is supporting terror groups.
btw that is only believed by the ignorent people or ''truthers''.
I agree.
Telling the truth can be spreading hate. Say that the Koran is an evil book that teaches hate and you are acuuse of spreading hate when telling the truth.
Fact is that right now a huge operation is going on in Afghanistan against the Taliban and Al Qaida.
I think that is just spreading hate against America and NATO.

Keep believing our enemies the Taliban and their anti Western propoganda.They cannot fool me.
No, fact is that if the Taliban didnt allied themself with Al Qaida and Bin Laden we wouldnt have attacked them.

Your facts are based on wrong and outdated information and are mostly propoganda from our enemies.

that is if you choose to see the Taliban as a civilian population and not as a militia

when I say "destroy the taliban", I am referring to the destruction of its central power structure

and the haqqani network that runs it, ( i believe that is the name given to the ISI arm that helps the talibs)

the talibs are not the majority, but they enforce their will over the majority with weapons

weapons that were left over from the soviet conflict

these talibs would never have been in power had the US not funded their growth

the fact that they had money during the soviet age attracted many young men to join them, simply because that was the only future left

they must cease to exist as a violent political entity because an alternative has been created (the somewhat democratic government of kharzai)

I would agree with you if the Taliban were solely afghan patriots

but they arent

they are foreigners from all corners of the muslim world, and their view of sharia is something they want to impose on the afghan people

and while this in itself is no reason to destroy them as a political group, it is their means of attaining these goals that are flawed

not any more flawed then the US, but the US at least does not want to completely govern the affairs of afghan people forever

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-- Benyamin Netanyahu, , speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

that was a very good and concise statement...

My previous response was related to a general statement about eliminating all of the Taliban while only a small percentage of the Taliban can actually be referred to as the "militia" of the Taliban. This would be similar to addressing members of Hamas or Hezbollah where the "militia" members are only a small component of much larger organizations.

There can be many discussions as to exactly how the Taliban came to power in Afghanistan as many also cite the fact that once the USSR left the US basically lost interest completely in Afghanistan.

My position is similar in that while I see the regime of Karzia as being corrupt and tyrannical the Taliban is worse. It is the issue of two evils IMO with the Taliban being the worse of the two evils. Of course as an American I don't believe the Unites States should be supporting any evil or tyrannical regimes, period.


Agreed in principle but because the United States installed and is supporting the government of Karzai it must assume more than just a little responsibility for corruption and tyrannical acts of the Karzai government.

It is the US support for governments which are perceived as being tyrannical which ultimately leads to the terrorist threat against the United States.

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They have been substantiated by people who were there. Jo Wilding was there and has written about it, check it out and learn something.

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2. You support Terrorism.
3.You are Anti-American.
4.They hate our freedoms.
5. I have been water boarded..

Please repeat ad nauseum...

I differ with respect to this

I feel as though the minority are the talibs who run, albeit poorly, the offices of the Afghan government

these offices are upheld by the armed wing of the taliban

nowadays the taliban are allowed to run for office in the new democratic system, and if they were truly a movement of the people then that should reflect in the elections (i.e. Hamas)

even if kharzai is a corrupt drug lord, at least he is on a leash

the taliban have no masters, and they often get their way through murder

Americas interest in afghanistan certainly started with the USSR's appearance

but that doesnt excuse the fact that the US left the afghan people to the war dogs they created

war dogs dont/cant run legitimate nations

they only breed more violence, and here we are today putting the dogs back in their cages so that civilization might once again thrive in one of the most ancient birthplaces of civilization
Yes, but this is a step by step process

we need to be the strong arm of the Kharzai government so the seeds of democracy can come to fruition
eventually the people will have better candidates and they will weed out the terrible ones

taliban=drugs, corruption, murder
kharzai=drugs, corruption
the future=drugs...




they should, they should punish it heavily

and reward the opposite
it is also the support of proxy minorities within stable self governing nations which breeds terrorism

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-- Benyamin Netanyahu, , speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

Yes, the Taliban is a minority but even minorities have Rights in a nation. Of note the Taliban is not the only armed resistance against the US imposed government in Afghanistan but instead they are the majority of the opposition to it.

We should also realize that merely "throwing the dog a bone" such as now allowing members of the Taliban to run for office today after Karzai is in power and has demonstrated that he controls the vote does not remove the opposition to that government. Karzai is not going to allow any Taliban members any significant role in the government of Afghanistan.

Simply stated, if residents and citizens of Afghanistan opposed the US imposed government merely allowing them to become members of that same government does not remove their reasons for opposing it.

This highlights a problem which the United States foreign policy creates. The United States should not support any group merely because they oppose our "enemies" but instead should base support on what that group stands for. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" foreign policy is the basis for the problems because it provides support to those, such as the Taliban, who are tyrannical based upon their beliefs. The US had the same problem in supporting the Contras in the 1980's because the Contras were a terrorist organization.

Karzai is also engaged in the murder of those who oppose his regime so what is the real difference between the Taliban and Karzai?

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Is this ' Sedwill ' for real ?

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