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    Default 'Save our kids Mr. Erdoğan'

    I found this interesting. Nothing different, typical Iranian bull(*)(*)(*)(*). What I'm wondering if would Erdogan help them despite he's a conservative. I hope our "beloved" prime minister won't ignore this call...

    'Save our kids Mr. Erdoğan'

    The mothers of three U.S. hikers jailed in Iran called on Turkey’s PM via Turkish daily Haber Türk. They say ready to come to Turkey to beg for help.

    Amberin Zaman / Daily Haber Türk

    For more than a year now, three American hikers are being languished at infamous Evin prison in the Iranian capital known for torture and violence. Sarah Shourd, 31; Shane Bauer, 28; and Josh Fattal, 28. Last year on July 31, three hikers were captured while trekking by Iran’s so called revolutionary guards near Ahmad Awa, a lush, mountainous area of waterfalls and caves in Northern Iraq along the Iranian border and thrown into the prison by the head and ears.

    The Iranian authorities accused them of spying; however, there is not yet an indictment against them. Iran has not filed charges against the three, who neither have seen a courtroom nor spoken with an Iranian attorney whom their families hired in December.

    The Iranian government was called on numerous times to immediately release the hikers by many starting from the American President Barack Obama, Amnesty International as well as Archbishop Desmont Tutu, the spiritual leader of South Africa. Obama has flatly denied any connection between the trio and U.S. intelligence agencies. “They have no connection with our governement,” he said.

    Shourd is reportedly being held in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day since the first day of her imprisonment. She has discovered a lump in her left breast. She is not allowed to take medical care. She has to press a button to ring a bell, when she needs to go to the bathroom. She is taken out of her cell after her eyes are tied with a black strap to meet her needs. She paces with her fiancée Shane Bauer twice a day, 30 minutes in each.

    Imprisoned Iranian women used to sing Celine Dion songs, while passing through her cell to cheer her up, but they were silenced. The trio could see their mothers only for once since they are arrested. That was in a hotel room, under the observation of Iranian officials. Hundreds of letters written by two sides are put off. When they would be released is unknown. They most probably are withheld captives as an aspect of negotiation for Iran and America’s constant nuclear hassle.

    “We could stay alone with my daughter only at the toilet for a few minutes. She has health problems. Her psychology is broken. She might have cancer. I am excessively concerned. Turkey has good relations with Iran. This is advantageous for the West, too. Please, may your Prime Minister help us? Ahmedinejad would listen to you, and it is Ramadan now,” Shourd’s mother Nora told daily Haber Türk.

    Suddenly her voice trills, she starts crying. “So our kids are claimed to be agents, but where is the proof?”

    Who are these young Americans? What were they doing in Iraqi Kurdistan?
    Sarah and Shane have lived in Syria for two years. Sarah was teaching English to the immigrants in Syria. Shane was a free lance journalist. He penned various articles condemning America’s war on Iraq. The first foreign country he visited was Turkey. Shane came to Turkey after he graduated high school, his mother Cindy told us over the phone. “He loved Turkey and the Turks. If our kids were intelligence agents, they would have been noticed in Syria, basically a police state,” Cindy says.

    An expert on environment, Josh was there just visiting Sarah and Shane, who he is friends with since college.

    Is Northern Iraq a tourist heaven?

    Tourism in Iraqi Kurdistan might sound suspicious at first. The Kurdish region, however, advertised as the “Other Iraq” on the American televisions; is trying hard to attract tourists. Searching on Google, you can find many video shootings presenting Ahmad Awa waterfalls.

    Interested in trekking, the trio decided to go to Iraq seeing these advertisements. “The Northern Iraqi authorities never warned them about the danger,” says Cindy. “I have been to Yemeni deserts with my son. He is a very experienced one. He would never take risks.”

    A respected left-wing magazine The Nation, went on the issue examining the occasion, argued the Iranian revolutionary guards violated the border and captured the hikers with armed force in its report the magazine based on the eye witnesses they interviewed.

    Not without our children

    Both nurse, mothers of Sarah and Shane quit their jobs and moved in the same house in Minnesota. They spent all their time for their kids’ liberty. “We could not contact even one Iranian authority. There are some efforts of our government but inadequate. It would be very helpful if Turkey would step in. we are ready to come to Turkey and tell our story with every detail,” say the mothers adding they look forward for Turkey’s answer.

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    Don't expect anything from turkey right now. They are to busy to cover for a known terrorist entity to care about innocents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchClogCyborg View Post
    Don't expect anything from turkey right now. They are to busy to cover for a known terrorist entity to care about innocents.
    What terror entity? Erdogan is not very trustable yes but we'll see.

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    Humanitarian gesture = Iranian shakedown...

    Family of jailed American in Iran fight bail
    Sep 13,`10 -- The family of an American woman detained in Iran for more than a year is appealing to authorities to drop a $500,000 bail for her release because they cannot afford it, her lawyer said Monday.
    Masoud Shafiei told The Associated Press that Swiss diplomats - who handle U.S. affairs in Iran - are asking that the bail be dropped or lowered for 32-year-old Sarah Shourd because they are having difficulty raising the money. "I am aware the Swiss are making this appeal," the lawyer said. "I remain hopeful. God willing, she will be released."

    Shafiei said he had no word on Iran's response and gave no indication whether he thinks the appeals will delay or further complicate Shourd's release. Iran's judiciary granted the bail Sunday for health reasons. Shourd's mother says she has serious medical problems.

    Shourd was detained along the Iraqi border in July 2009 along with two American friends, both men. Iran indicted all three on spy-related charges on Sunday which could mean trials for the two men and proceedings in absentia for Shourd if she is freed. The families of the three claim they were innocent hikers and if they did stray across the border into Iran, it was inadvertent.

    Iran's internal battles over the handling of the American woman flared again Monday. Some conservative lawmakers are objecting to any plans at freeing Shourd. One lawmaker called it a "bonus for Quran burners" in the United States.


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    She's a young thing who cannot leave her mother...

    US Will Not Pay Bail for Detained American in Iran
    13 September 2010 - State Department says US government will not be involved in any possible arrangement to pay Iran half-a-million dollars bail for Sarah Shourd
    The State Department said Monday that the U.S. government will not be involved in any possible arrangement to pay Iran half-a-million dollars bail for Sarah Shourd, one of three Americans who have been in custody in Tehran for more than one year. Last week, Tehran prosecutor Abbas Jafari Dolatabadi announced that Iranian judges were willing to convert Shourd's detention to $500,000 in bail, citing medical grounds.

    U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley told reporters on Monday that the U.S. government is aware of Tehran's offer, but that the situation is unclear. Crowley said Swiss diplomats, who represent U.S. interests in Iran, are seeking further information. Crowley did not provide specifics about the case. But he stressed that if a bail payment is made, U.S. government funds would not be used. "The United States government does not fund prisoner bail," he said.

    The United States is among the nations that have strict sanctions in place against financial transactions with Iran. Crowley says a bail payment to Iran would not necessarily violate international sanctions or require a special waiver or exemption, noting that there continue to be transactions between Iran and other countries. "Some of them violate sanctions. Others don't," he said. Lawyers for Shourd say Swiss diplomats are asking that the $500,000 bail be dropped or reduced.

    See also:

    Report: Iran releases U.S. hiker
    Sept. 14, 2010 -- U.S. hiker Sarah Shourd, imprisoned in Iran for more than a year with two male companions, was released Tuesday, CNN reported.
    News of her release was broadcast on Iran's state-run Press TV. Iranian officials said last week Shourd would be released Saturday, the end of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. But state media reported Friday her release was hung up because of unfinished legal issues. On Sunday, Dolatabadi announced the country's "readiness for the conditional release" of Shourd, and demanded that $500,000 in bail be posted before she was released.

    A lawyer for Shourd said she would be released once Iran received $500,000 in bail. The CNN report Tuesday did not indicate whether the bail was posted. Shourd's family said she needs medical attention. The Swiss Embassy in Tehran, representing U.S. interests in the Islamic country, also asked that the bail demand be dropped, saying Shourd's family did not have the funds.

    Shourd, 32, and Shane Bauer and Joshua Fattal, both 27, were arrested in July 2009, accused of illegally crossing into Iran and espionage. Their families said the three were hiking in Iraq's northern Kurdish region, and if they crossed the border it was accidental.

    Last edited by waltky; Sep 14 2010 at 06:53 AM.

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    WTF are Three American "Hikers" doing in contested territory on the border with Iran?

    This is akin to little me having a "Hiking Holiday" in America and setting up my little hiking tent in the Arizona desert right next to the Mexican border.

    ....And then wondering afterwards why something bad happened to me.
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    "They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness" (Ps. lxxxii. 5). Truth, in spite of all its powerful manifestations, is completely withheld from them, and the following words of Scripture may be applied to them, "And now men see not the light which is bright in the skies" (Job xxxvii. 21). They are the multitude of ordinary men: there is no need to notice them in this treatise.

    :- Maimonides.

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    What Sarah Shourd's Release Says About Iran's Infighting...

    What the Hiker Release Says About Iran's Internal Power Struggle
    Wednesday, Sep. 15, 2010 - There will undoubtedly be some observers who will take Iran's release of an American hiker held for more than a year on spying charges as a portent of rapprochement in the fraught U.S.-Iran relationship, but that would be unwise. Nothing is ever simple when it comes to the Islamic Republic, and the tug-of-war between different arms of the Iranian government that preceded Sarah Shourd's release on Tuesday reveals a level of chaos and political infighting inside the regime that could complicate future diplomatic efforts.
    Shourd's two hiking companions, Shane Bauer and Josh Fattal, remain imprisoned in Tehran, and the Iranian authorities released her only on humanitarian grounds after a bail payment was made to a bank in Oman. (She is reported to be ill, and the Iranians have a history of releasing captives whose health is deteriorating, which diminishes whatever value the regime sees in holding them.) Still what was most notable about Shourd's release was the rebuke it involved for President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the hands of his own judiciary.

    Ahmadinejad had originally planned to schedule the captive's release for Saturday, in a ceremony at the presidential palace, as part of an effort to showcase his magnanimity ahead of his visit to the U.N. General Assembly in New York City later this month. But when that news spread, a halt was called by Iran's judiciary — controlled by rival conservatives who are loyal to Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei but antagonistic to Ahmadinejad, not least for usurping the powers of other arms of government. The release of prisoners awaiting trial was a matter for the judiciary, they said, and they insisted on the bail payment of $500,000 — and ensured there would be no ceremony at which the President could aggrandize himself.

    "The judiciary, one of the many institutions Ahmadinejad has offended, was prepared to release Ms. Shourd, but not to let him get the credit for it," says Gary Sick, a Columbia University Iran expert and former National Security Council official. "They made clear that the release was their game, not his. The infighting in Tehran is really vicious right now, and more publicly visible than it's ever been. Ahmadinejad was really embarrassed by this."

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...#ixzz0zafY2hQO

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    Granny cries like a John Boehner atta wedding...

    US hikers jailed for spying by Iran get married
    6 May 2012 - Shane Bauer proposed to Sarah Shourd while the couple were in custody
    Two US hikers who were held in Iran as alleged spies have got married. Shane Bauer and Sarah Shourd were held in 2009 after allegedly straying over the border from Iraq during a walking holiday. They got engaged in prison, using a shirt thread as a ring. Their friend Josh Fattal, who was held with them, acted as best man at the ceremony in California. Iran freed Ms Shourd on bail after 14 months, but the two men were held until September 2011. The couple are now said to be on their honeymoon, although the destination has not been disclosed.

    In a statement posted on the Free the Hikers Facebook page, Ms Shourd said: "Now that this day has come, all I can do is close my eyes and fill with gratitude, for our freedom, for the love of so many generous people around the world, and for the very soil under my feet." "The day Shane proposed to Sarah in prison gave us all hope for the future," Mr Fattal said in a statement.

    Mr Bauer said: "Becoming engaged to Sarah while we were in captivity allowed me to dream of a future that was not only secure, but also beautiful." The three friends said that if they had crossed into Iran, it had been by accident, but all three were sentenced to eight years in prison for spying and illegally entering the country.


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    Turkey has more journalists in prison than any other country, including China and Iran, according to a press release issued Monday by the International Press Institute.

    Turkey has more journalists in prison than any other country in the world, including China and Iran, according to a press release issued Monday by the International Press Institute.

    The group based its release on a report published by the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe, or OSCE, that said 57 journalists are currently in prison in Turkey. As of December, Iran and China each had 34 journalists behind bars.

    “While Iran and China topped lists in December by reportedly jailing some 34 journalists each, Turkey, a candidate for membership in the European Union, has nearly doubled that number five months later, raising questions about the country’s commitment to freedom of the press and the legitimacy of its democratic image,” IPI Press Freedom Adviser Steven M. Ellis wrote in an article featured on the institute’s website.

    Daily Radikal meanwhile reported in its Friday edition that Aziz Özer, chief executive officer for the monthly culture and literature magazine Güney (South), had been sentenced to 1.5 years in prison because of a short story and a caricature he published that were determined to constitute “making propaganda” for the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK. The implementation of the sentence was not suspended.

    In its report, the IPI also noted the case of journalist Nedim Şener, an IPI World Press Freedom Hero who was arrested recently on accusations of being a member of the alleged Ergenekon coup-plot gang. Dunja Mijatovic, the OSCE representative on media freedom, who commissioned the report, called upon Turkish authorities to bring the standards of press freedom in Turkey up to meet its OSCE commitments.

    The IPI also drew attention to the fact that there are between 700 and 1,000 ongoing cases in Turkey that could result in the imprisonment of more journalists.

    “The sheer number of cases poses fundamental questions about the legal provisions governing journalism in Turkey and raises concerns that the number of journalists in prison could further increase,” said Mijatovic.

    The report conceded that governments do have a legitimate need to fight terrorism, but stressed that the notion of national security should not be used as a basis to curb press freedom. The IPI noted that most of the arrested journalists were taken into custody either under Turkey’s anti-terror law or for alleged crimes under the criminal code’s prohibitions on “founding, leading or becoming a member of an armed organization for the purpose of committing certain offenses.”

    The report also noted the extremely long sentences requested by for journalists. Ibrahim Çiçek and Bayram Namaz from Atılım newspaper, for example, each face up to 3,000 years in prison.

    “These journalists are in jail because of Turkey’s anti-terror Law. This law threatens the freedom of press, and investigative journalists live under its menace. We find this unacceptable. We made a request to the government to change this law, but unfortunately the government does not lend an ear to professional journalist associations,” said Ferai Tınç, the chair of IPI’s Turkey National Committee and an IPI board member.

    “Turkey, at the crossroads between East and West, is a major regional power with an ancient cultural heritage. The country is also often held up as an example of a healthy Muslim democracy,” said IPI director Alison Bethel McKenzie, who warned that moving away from this history and imprisoning more journalists than any other country is damaging.

    McKenzie also called on the Turkish government to respect press freedom and release all journalists who have been detained because of their work.

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    That's pretty screwed up. Although I guess being a journalist in Turkey still isn't as dangerous as being one in Northern Mexico.
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