I like Noam Chomsky's view. He, as I, notices it is the one Great super power in the world terrorizing only those countries that it values strategically and can get away with bullying. I notice the US Bully is still afaid to threaten China or Russia with invasion if they keep making nuclear weapons. The little countries getting beat up by the Bully are reacting the only way it can to a giant super bully-with suicidal violence and any means possible. As impoverished as the US has kept them, these 'terrorists' still have the guts to fight back against an arrogant bully bent on taking over the world as soon as possible. Thankfully, the President's term is up in two years, and I can only pray the next is not so stupid as this.

In summation, the terrist is really the US Super Power and the people called terrorists by the US Government-not you or me- are the victims-as we all are by this rogue President.

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At least we have each other to talk to.

you have a point on this one.
but im pretty sure some of these women who took pictures with naked Iraqi prisoners only got a few years, and also the bush's "got what he deserves" in interrogation tactics timing, consider this: at least a few people have died while being interrogated by US, this is a known fact, well how is this different? maybe if these soldiers while being dragged would have said "wait i will tell you how to stop americans" and given the secrets how to capture their fellow soldiers, maybe they would have stopped dragging them and not burned them? maybe they would have become heroes to them then?

the point im trying to make is bush has gone insane, i do not see the difference between him and terrorists, everybody speaks nice to their own people, its what they edit out to show the enemy bad like islamic terrorists would likely edit out the parts of bush saying our nation is at war with islamic faschists, while taking out parts where bush says we love muslims...

i think everyone has good and bad inside, i think christianity teaches that as a matter of fact dont it? being bush claims to be a christian,,, well bush seeks to be able to torture to interrogate, tells me he is not seeking diplomacy like to ask terrorists to be fair, meaning he thinks he is somehow better then terrorists,

maybe i just have to be kidnapped by islamists to wake up and believe what you neocons have been saying, but it's hard for me to believe a lot of this stuff with all the lies i have heard from US leaders... it really is. plus i see them profiting from this war clearly, theres another motive to lie... it all makes sense...

i gues im confused, but its only because i know more then one side of the story...

Noam Chomsky is a professional student. /dismiss.

One is that Belmar was never tortured. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Belmar

Another is that several of those you list accuse the US of torture, but only Arar has found any evidence of this. Additionally, Abbasi, by his own admission, was not innocent.

That aside, they should have some sort of an independent review to ensure they are not holding innocent people. It sounds like 3 or possibly 4 of the 5 above were innocent. They should ensure that doesn't happen again by review and audit, and if they are found to be other instances then they'll have to consider more alternatives such as others are suggesting. I also think the UN should pay the cost, or a large part of it.

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JMS gets another English lesson:

Quote:

there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.

The result:

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By the mid-19th century unique had developed a wider meaning, “not typical, unusual,” and it is in this wider sense that it is compared. The comparison of so-called absolutes in senses that are not absolute is standard in all varieties of speech and writing.

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the memories of a man in his old age
are the deeds of a man in his prime

roger waters

Pretty good zinger, huh?

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill

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i gues im confused, but its only because i know more then one side of the story...[/quote]

In time, all will make sense to the old and wise and all human behavior will be easily predicted.

Christ was The Christian example, but very few follow Him. They will not be loud and self absorbed rulers or Presidents, they will be unknown, lowly, meek, dedicated to God; helping people as no one watches or cares.

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At least we have each other to talk to.

How is preventing the murder of innocents through aggressive methods of interrogation not helping people?

How is allowing for the murder of innocents by not imploying aggrssive methods of interrogation helping people?

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill

I heard a news report that some adviser to the former Prime Minister of Canada has just written a book called THE WAY THINGS WORK. He was quoted as having said in this book that he heard George Bush Jr. say to the Canadian Prime Minister that he should hang somebody up by the thumbs, like they do to the guys in Guatanamo. Sounds like a pro-torture stance to me.

Anyway, it appears to be official. The United States of America approves of torture-lite. Apparently it's still informative, but less liable to create guilt feelings in its users.

I thought we were hanging them by their balls. Oh well, thumbs sounds okay.

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill