I'm fine with it because there will be no torture. The pro-torture president caved under duress.

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I've been informed....don't blame Bush, he's "not in control"
That must make him out of control

meaning no torture and no degradation. so how did bush get what he wanted?
JPfife, please explain

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while im not a fan of mcCain, i cant hetlp but notice that most of those who actually once served in the military like mccain and murtha are beconing "weak and pathetic" in neocon dictionary...

other then that, i do acknowledge that McCain is no less hypocrite then bush, its no news for me, but it seems the rats are starting to fight amongst themselves, no?

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“You can’t keep saying you’re a peace candidate and keep voting to fund the war” – Dennis Kucinich http://kucinich.us/

McCain is a NeoCon

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Uh unless you have some information nobody else has there is no indication that much of anything(if anything at all in regards to "torture") has been changed.
IOW what you considered torture yesterday is still accepted as valid for interrogation under this.

Bush isn't pro-torture unless you define torture absurdly...thats just stupid. He also didntl cave in he forced the issue at hand(you guys (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ed about that too) and it appears he got 99% of what he wanted.

McCain didn't cave either because his position IMO was grossly distorted by the left.



I think you guys are trying to find anyway to word this to deflect from the fact that your positions (for the most part by all sides involved directly) has been rejected.

I can't believe anyone would try to spin this as anything less than a huge win for the Republicans. Bush has said many times that we do not torture. He asked for clarification because of the vagueness of article 3. I know the Democrats would have liked very much to put this off until after the elections, poor things. They have continually tried to paint the president as torture happy. Now that he is aligned with McCain, that just won't work. AND, the Republicans will put forth legislation that the Democrats will be forced to vote on BEFORE the election. The Democrats problem is that they started out with the lie that Bush wanted torture authorized.

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Order without liberty and liberty without order are equally destructive. - Theodore Roosevelt

It's real basic--do you side with protecting terrorists, or do you side with protecting US citizens? The great, vast majority of Americans believe we should protect US citizens. Wow. Imagine that! So, once again, demos will be forced to decide if they will vote their core principles (protecting terrorists) or vote with Republicans in protecting US citizens.

Hey demos--wanna wager your gaining control of the Senate or the House? Why, a few months ago, it was a lock-certain cinch! Oooops! The turds do eventually float to the top, don't they?

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Winston Churchill

What's truly pathetic is that the Democrat leadership has stayed totally out of the debate until it was decided. Now, I'm sure they'll claim they were on the President's side all along.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Demos are nothing but finger lickers. They have core principles, but their principles are so far out of the mainstream that they are unable to run on them. Consequently, they awake each morning, lick their finger, try to determine which way the political wind happens to be blowing, and bah-lah! That's their position! All the while they masquerade their true positions, while being tossed from side to side with whichever way the wind happens to be blowing.

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill

McCain is a finger licker, too.

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill

The information about "no torture" is in the article that Beagle provided, yet the "four tortureteers" totally ignore it. You're pathetic.

If Bush wants to pretend he got his way to save face, fine... He may also score some points with the American people. To me, I will now see him as the Pro-torture president. G.W. the water-board king.

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I've been informed....don't blame Bush, he's "not in control"
That must make him out of control