Oh, poor Barn, you were supporting and encouraging the use of torture for all this time and you didnt realise that none of these guys have been found guilty of an offence yet! Its a perfect little cocoon they keep you in, isnt it. You only want to torture the 'really really reallly bad guys'? What a kidder. How do we find out if they are innocent or not, we are so incapable of finding out anything unless we torture, right?

Here's the news: None of those tortured have been found guilty of anything. Very very few have even been charged with an offence. Most will never be charged - these are innocent.

Want some names (you'll be hearing them at your war crimes trial anyway); Moazzam Begg, Feroz Abbasi, Martin Mubanga, Richard Belmar, Maher Arar....the list goes on, there are literally hundreds of them.

Do your Christian duty and find out about the innocent that are being tortured in your name before coming on here blowing hot air about it; like a dwarf standing in a bar bellowing to all in earshot about how big his d*ck is - its neither convincing nor appealing.

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It's not my responsibility to make your case. You and others have made an accusation that innocents have been water boarded. Now prove it. There are plenty of legitimate news accounts on water boarding. I'd start with Brian Ross of ABC News if I were you.

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Found guilty of an offense??????? Since when are wars conducted in courtrooms? 9-11 wasn't a criminal offense, it was an act of war. Of all the blubbering, blithering, lily-livered, psychobabble, you head the list. Found guilty of an offense…what a joke.

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I just gave you five names, all innocent, all tortured, told you of hundreds more - their cases are common knowledge and have been in the world's media for a couple of years now. But if you expect me to go over to Britain, throw them on my back and come over to you so you can interview them, sorry, it aint happening. You would probably plug your ears and put your own blindfold on as I walked in the door, anyway...

You dont want to know, but you would make me responsible for your ignorance - you have a colossal cheek, (and skimpy morals).

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Barney wrote:

In Barney's eyes, this means anything is fair game (for Americans only) including torture and if they're found innocent thereafter.... Oh well, "we're at war".

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That must make him out of control

Changing your line of defence again, are we? Now its not the issue that they are innocent but they have to have been found innocent - their guilt is assumed under that old cherry 'time o' war' - didnt work at Nuremberg, Barn. Try again.

Here's a hint: examine your conscience (probably been a while, I know...)

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Memo: Our armed forces do not make any arrests. They kill the enemy, destroy their property and capture enemy detainees. Enemy detainees are not prisoners, awaiting some criminal trial. They are the custody of our armed forces. If they are privy to intelligence helpful in our defeating them, we will interrogate them, using six basic levels of interrogation, the last being water boarding.

If you don't like the way we fight wars, try living under Hamas or Hezbollah or Taliban rule. The vast, vast majority of Americans support aggressive interrogation techniques, NSA, and all other intelligence resources at our disposal. This is why we win elections and lily-livered libs lose elections. This is also why, unlike libs, we are more concerned about protecting Americans than terrorists.

And splash town is once again open for business!

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If torture is so acceptable Barney, why aren't the politicians using that term? Could it be that unlike you, they don't want to be associated with it?

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That must make him out of control

I like the term implemented interrogation. It's clinical, accurate, and it works.

Piezo lights, hallucinatory music, use of subsonic loud-volume directional-tones (to rattle internal organs but never leave a bruise)---all of these are good in the hands of skilled practitioners. Lots and lots of pig's blood, too. Implement their imaginations as they cower in a box half their normal height, cold water pouring in from above but leaking back out again only when they start drowning.

Water boarding is only one of the implements. At war, we use many tools.

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whats the latest pc term for torture are they using now?

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