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Old 10-05-2006, 06:37 AM
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Yeah, Bubba the Zipper sure took responsibility for Monica, didn't he, lying to his own Cabinet and to the entire American public. Reallllllll responsible! Almost as stand-up as dodging the draft by running to Oxford, or selling strategic satelitte technology to Chinese Military Intelligence.

The record is very explicit. Clintonistas were offered bin Laeden many times and Bubba decided not to go after him. He has earned his own share of any blame.

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I find this whole blame-Clinton-for-Bush's-mistakes-instead-of-Bush-manning-up-and-taking-responsibility course almost as disturbing as the drones of brainwashed conservatives who soak it all up.

Other presidents made mistakes and took responsibility for it and ending up with decent job ratings (you guys seem to be content with Bush's job rating chilling in the 30's where it's been for how long now?) Other presidents have even took responsibility for events that happened under their watch that they had little or no control over. We, the American people, love that stuff because we know that everyone makes mistakes, its how you handle them that defines who you are. And on that, Bush was defined long ago.
I missed the part where Clinton admitted his failings involving Al Qaeda. Can you direct me to where that happened?
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I find this whole blame-Clinton-for-Bush's-mistakes-instead-of-Bush-manning-up-and-taking-responsibility course almost as disturbing as the drones of brainwashed conservatives who soak it all up.

Other presidents made mistakes and took responsibility for it and ending up with decent job ratings (you guys seem to be content with Bush's job rating chilling in the 30's where it's been for how long now?) Other presidents have even took responsibility for events that happened under their watch that they had little or no control over. We, the American people, love that stuff because we know that everyone makes mistakes, its how you handle them that defines who you are. And on that, Bush was defined long ago.
I missed the part where Clinton admitted his failings involving Al Qaeda. Can you direct me to where that happened?
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He said more than just that. He also said how he did try and that Bush did nothing until 9/11. Then he asked why the same questions we never asked of Bush regarding the same matter. Go ahead and watch the whole clinton interview from beginning to end.
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Yeah, Bubba the Zipper sure took responsibility for Monica, didn't he, lying to his own Cabinet and to the entire American public. Reallllllll responsible! Almost as stand-up as dodging the draft by running to Oxford, or selling strategic satelitte technology to Chinese Military Intelligence.

The record is very explicit. Clintonistas were offered bin Laeden many times and Bubba decided not to go after him. He has earned his own share of any blame.

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Where did I defend clinton of any of that? You're beginning to sound like a broken record. Draft Dodging, he wasnt the first and wont be the last and I never saw the source that he sold satellite technology to the chinese, you got the link?

And just because you saw on a TV show on FOX that something happened, that doesnt make it true. What did bush do about bin Laden before 9/11? Nothing, absolutely nothing.

What is Bush doing about him now? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. He's not in Afghanistan OR Iraq. He's not that stupid.
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I find this whole blame-Clinton-for-Bush's-mistakes-instead-of-Bush-manning-up-and-taking-responsibility course almost as disturbing as the drones of brainwashed conservatives who soak it all up.

Other presidents made mistakes and took responsibility for it and ending up with decent job ratings (you guys seem to be content with Bush's job rating chilling in the 30's where it's been for how long now?) Other presidents have even took responsibility for events that happened under their watch that they had little or no control over. We, the American people, love that stuff because we know that everyone makes mistakes, its how you handle them that defines who you are. And on that, Bush was defined long ago.
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He said more than just that. He also said how he did try and that Bush did nothing until 9/11. Then he asked why the same questions we never asked of Bush regarding the same matter. Go ahead and watch the whole clinton interview from beginning to end.
And I see where he said he tried. Saying he tried is not the equivalent of saying he was at fault. Clinton doesn't have a history of accepting blame (see Monica, Whiley, et al).
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so he DIDNT say

"I tried, and I failed"??
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so he DIDNT say

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saying you try and failed isn't the same as "I made a lot of mistakes." You can try and fail without making a mistake. I can try to jump from the ground to the roof of my house, it doesn't mean I did something wrong if I don't succeed. I can try to create a cure for cancer tonight, it doesn't mean I screwed up because tomorrow comes and it didn't happen.
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Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
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so he DIDNT say

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saying you try and failed isn't the same as "I made a lot of mistakes." You can try and fail without making a mistake. I can try to jump from the ground to the roof of my house, it doesn't mean I did something wrong if I don't succeed. I can try to create a cure for cancer tonight, it doesn't mean I screwed up because tomorrow comes and it didn't happen.
In this matter, he didnt make any mistakes. Wanna talk about Bush's mistakes? Shall we go there?
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so he DIDNT say

"I tried, and I failed"??
saying you try and failed isn't the same as "I made a lot of mistakes." You can try and fail without making a mistake. I can try to jump from the ground to the roof of my house, it doesn't mean I did something wrong if I don't succeed. I can try to create a cure for cancer tonight, it doesn't mean I screwed up because tomorrow comes and it didn't happen.
In this matter, he didnt make any mistakes. Wanna talk about Bush's mistakes? Shall we go there?
You go through this effort to show where Clinton admitted his mistakes and then once that is shown untrue you say he didn't make any? Make up your mind. Of course he made mistakes, only a complete partisan would say otherwise. FYI, I've stated before that Bush made mistakes. The difference is I have my partisan colored glasses off and can admit as much. And what Bush did wrong doesn't excuse what Clinton did wrong. That's the argument 7 year old siblings make against each other.
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Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
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You go through this effort to show where Clinton admitted his mistakes and then once that is shown untrue you say he didn't make any? Make up your mind. Of course he made mistakes, only a complete partisan would say otherwise. FYI, I've stated before that Bush made mistakes. The difference is I have my partisan colored glasses off and can admit as much. And what Bush did wrong doesn't excuse what Clinton did wrong. That's the argument 7 year old siblings make against each other.
I wasnt exactly trying to prove where he admitted mistakes (if I missed something, point me to where I said that) But I surely am not gonna sit back while you guys make yourselves feel better by blaming Clinton, when clearly the blame lies within the current administration.
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